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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Nomination Withdrawn. (Non-admin closure) Now the article is well sourced and meets the notability criteria. — Sanskari Hangout 14:52, 18 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Ranveer Brar[edit]

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Subject does not meets WP:BLP and fails the notability criteria. Also the article lacks independent reliable sources; in current state the article have references either from self-published sources such as personal website, Facebook and partner sites which is the violation of Wikipedia's policy for use of reliable sources to establish notability. The article links to some reliable sources such as Times of India, which lacks significant coverage. In addition, earlier the draft was declined two times for failing Wikipedia's notability criteria and neutrality point of view. Draft submitter Coolkrc moved the draft to mainspace article even after AfC declines. His contributions to Wikipedia indicates conflict of interest or paid editing. — Sanskari Hangout 14:35, 7 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. — Sanskari Hangout 14:36, 7 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. — Sanskari Hangout 14:36, 7 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Challenging the AFD Sanskari Hangout (With grateful help from <+Chess> in IRC) Chef Ranveer Brar is notable because, according to criteria 1 of WP:CREATIVE, one can be "regarded as an important figure" to be notable. In this case, you can see from the Sanjeev Kapoor reference [1] , he is not just well regarded by Sanjeev Kapoor, an renowned Indian chef, he is also well regarded by many other organisations, such as the James Beard foundation. Chef Ranveer is at par with the top chefs of the country, along with Sanjeev Kapoor and Vikas Khanna. He was the co-judge of MasterChef India season 4 [2]. He has many more accolades to his credit, validation for which have been added to the article. The credits for which I could not find anything relevant were omitted to avoid guideline violations. Request if this challenge can be reconsidered and the article reinstated. I assure you this is not a paid edit or service. If the challenge is w.r.t the facebook page inclusion, that was just one instance, reason being there was no other news ref at that time. But today I have found and included an article link from the Economic Times and removed the FB reference. Kindly check and advise further. Coolkrc (talk) 06:18, 9 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ https://web.archive.org/web/20150512233128/http://sanjeevkapoor.com/Starchef/Ranveer-Brar
  2. ^ http://indianexpress.com/article/lifestyle/food/master-of-spices-4/
@Coolkrc: The facts and the information on the article has to be cited with the reliable sources. Where we do not accept self-published sources (including that of archived). The major concern of Afd is the notability which is failing as per WP:BLP and WP:CREATIVE too (please elaborate how it is meeting the WP:CREATIVE criteria). In addition, as per WP:BLP and WP:GNG subject require coverage in depth. Also, it is request that please see How to contribute to Afd. (pining @Chess:). — Sanskari Hangout 10:53, 9 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Sanskari: thanks for your reply. This morning, I have edited and verified all the supportive links in the References section. Additionally some websites had archived or removed their articles, and I have amended those mentions. Have you checked the article post its latest revision please? They are all external sources. Please let me know. Coolkrc (talk) 11:04, 9 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Sanskari: WP:CREATIVE states "The person is regarded as an important figure or is widely cited by peers or successors." I have already quoted a reference from Chef Sanjeev Kapoor's page to this effect. Chef Sanjeev Kapoor is an industry on his own and is world-famous!! I had also, when putting this article together for the very first time, added a whole bunch of external links which talked about Chef Ranveer to support my claim to his notability. But some admin asked me to remove that section completely!!! Coolkrc (talk) 11:07, 9 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
This doesn't help in establishing notability. You need to cite the facts with independent and reliable sources E.g. Ranveer Brar is important figure[citation needed]. Most of the reliable sources that you have provided does not have significant coverage about the subject which is required as per WP:BPL. Please note: WP:BOMBARD does not helps the article to establish notability. — Sanskari Hangout 11:21, 9 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Sanskari: going back to my first question, have you checked the article after I have revised it this morning? As mentioned, I found out only today that some websites had removed or archived the links I had quoted and I have since changed or omitted them. Whatever I have mentioned in that article is supported by a reliable external reference Coolkrc (talk) 11:42, 9 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Coolkrc: Yes and several times but still lacks significant coverage and does not meets WP:BLP. — Sanskari Hangout 11:48, 9 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Sanskari: Do you suggest i add multiple references for 1 statement? Sorry, I dont understand what you mean by coverage here. If you see Sanjeev_Kapoor it is such a limited article with basic references. I have followed that simple model, by sticking to known facts and supporting them with valid links. If you google Ranveer Brar, there are pages after pages talking about him and his work. So help me here, in what more I can add in terms of coverage. I have added all he has done and been part of till now!! Coolkrc (talk) 11:54, 9 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Look at [1]. If those don't establish notability I don't know what will. Grognard Extraordinaire Chess (talk) Ping when replying 12:29, 9 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Please Resolve@Sanskari: I presume you have gone through the google search results link thankfully posted by Chess(talk) above. These are more than enough to establish Chef Ranveer's notability as a celebrity in his own regard. Obviously I cannot include these in a WIKI article!! Moreover, whatever info had a verifiable external source, I have mentioned and recently updated as well. This celebrity chef is also due to be part of I Can Do That (Indian TV series) starting 17th Oct. Please see the program WIKI page to confirm. Can I take your silence as acceptance, and if yes, can this issue please be favourably resolved at the earliest? TIA Coolkrc (talk) 07:06, 12 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Coolkrc: You can actually include the articles that are listed in the Google News search results as references. Just not the search page itself. Also, if the nominator does not withdraw their nomination, then you'll usually have to wait at least 7 days for the discussion to end. Since he nominated on October 7th, you have until the 14th about till the deletion discussion is over. Grognard Extraordinaire Chess (talk) Ping when replying 02:05, 13 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Chess: Thank you for that :) I'll try add extra references where valid and possible. Coolkrc (talk) 12:02, 13 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 10:58, 11 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 10:58, 11 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —☮JAaron95 Talk 15:05, 14 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@JAaron95: Hi..why has this been relisted please? I was hoping the discussion would be resolved by today. Is this part of the deletion review process? From my end, I have added all valid references to support each and every point, there is peer support reference, references from newspapers and important publications, plus there is an ocean of Google search results to validate this person's notability, for anyone who wants to do a background check. Please advise. @@Chess: Help! Coolkrc (talk) 15:49, 15 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Coolkrc: Yes, a discussion is relisted so as to allow another 7 days for the discussionto take place and hence attain consensus among editors. As you can see above, there's not much of a consensus. And so, this discussion is relisted. Regards—☮JAaron95 Talk 09:33, 16 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. The article is now well referenced, and the number of TV shows the subject is/has been hosting, including being a judge on MasterChef India, establish plenty of notability IMO. I'm less impressed by the awards, as awards are ten a penny in this world, but the subject seems well notable without any need to take them into account. Bishonen | talk 09:53, 18 October 2015 (UTC).[reply]
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