Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ranee Campen (2nd nomination)

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The result was keep. Article is piss poor but notability is there. (non-admin closure) –Davey2010^Talk 22:47, 22 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Ranee Campen[edit]

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Subject of article fails WP:NACTOR. She had not played any lead role in a notable film perhaps WP:TOOSOON. Kom Chad Luek award is not a notable award. Kom Chad Luek itself is a Newspaper and not an award. In addition, I can't find the significant coverages in multiple independent reliable sources to meet WP:GNG. Wikic¤l¤gy^{t@lk to M£} 08:52, 7 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Thailand-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 14:58, 7 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 14:58, 7 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, per offline coverage demonstrated in previous AfD. --Paul_012 (talk) 05:12, 9 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I remind you that the previous AfD was close as "no consensus" and the outcome of a debate that was closed as no consensus has little or no effect on this debate. All that is important is to validate the notability of the subject with multiple independent reliable sources. However, Can you provide a scan or an excerpt from that of those offline sources? Wikic¤l¤gy^{t@lk to M£} 05:33, 9 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I had provided links to those scans in the previous AfD—that was what I was referring to, not the outcome. Quoting for convenience: "Subject is notable according to the WP:GNG. In-depth interviews have featured in Lisa Weekly[1] and GM[2], both Thai print magazines, as well as Post Today[3], a daily newspaper. Not to mention tons of coverage in celebrity gossip columns in both print and online news publications.[4] --Paul_012 (talk) 04:43, 30 March 2015 (UTC)" --Paul_012 (talk) 09:59, 9 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not familiar with thai language. Source 1 was written in thai language, source 2 was written in the same language but I saw something like "rising star" perhaps describing her as a rising star (meaning not yet a star), source 4 is the same language. However, I don't understand the content of the sources. I'm not really sure of the reliability of the sources since am not familiar with the language, perhaps an input from thai-speaking editor may be needed.Wikic¤l¤gy^{t@lk to M£} 10:26, 9 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. She has not played in a notable film is because she stars in TV series. And those series themselves are notable. We just don't have articles on it here (but in Thai wiki). Also Kom Chad Luek Award is the award held yearly by the Kom Chad Luek newspaper, similar to MTV handling out yearly entertainment awards. (The award is notable. Here are some news coverage of the awards: The Nation [5], Matichon [6], Manager [7], Bangkok Biz News [8].) Here is Thai Rath's news coverage of her [9]: 1 news so far in May 2015, 5 news in April, 1 news in March, 3 news in February and 5 news in January this year alone. Also Disney Thailand chose her to dress as Cinderella in the movie opening premiere of Cinderella_(2015_film) in Thailand [10]. --Lerdsuwa (talk) 06:45, 9 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Firstly, she has not played a lead role in a notable film. having stars in a notable film itself does not confer notability, she has to play a lead role in a notable film. Secondly, How on earth will MTV Movie Awards synonymous to Kom Chad Luek award ? MTV movie award is a Movie Awards while Kom Chad Luek is not a movie award but a common and non-notable award organize by a newspaper which undermine the award. The award is a minor award and doesn't count as a notable award. Notable awards that may count includes the Academy Awards, Golden Horse Film Festival and Awards, Hong Kong Film Award, Africa Movie Academy Awards to mention few. Has she won the Golden Horse Film Festival and Awards, Taiwan's equivalent to the Academy Awards? She hasn't. Lastly, having been choosing to dress as Cinderella in the movie opening premiere of Cinderella_(2015_film) in Thailand does not make her notable as notability is not inherited. She has to play a lead role in Cinderella_(2015_film) itself as an actor. Wikic¤l¤gy^{t@lk to M£} 07:33, 9 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It is a notable award in entertainment in Thailand. And her drama is part of Suparbburut Chutathep drama series which was 2013 Thailand biggest hits according to this news piece [11]. As far as I know, the content of this wiki does not have to be known to every country in the whole world. Sufficient level of notable is enough. National-level has been sufficient so far in Thai-related articles. And this article wasn't even started by a Thai. A Chinese started it. Many Thai TV series are broadcast in several Asian countries. Taiwan edition of Yahoo ran an article of her. [12] --Lerdsuwa (talk) 14:51, 9 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 01:02, 15 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Per the significant coverage identified above (in Thai) establishing that the article meets the main notability guideline. Davewild (talk) 07:08, 22 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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