Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ramadhan Jalil

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. The consensus here is to delete, but the article creator explicitly requested a move to Draft during the discussion. After looking at the article, I would be willing to WP:REFUND it as a draft, so I am going to move it to draft directly rather than force the extra steps. However, recording the consensus result here in case this becomes relevant for future deletion requests. RL0919 (talk) 22:56, 4 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ramadhan Jalil[edit]

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PROD reasoning was (1) This article is blatantly promotional in character. (2) There is insufficient evidence of notability for this amateur footballer. and was applied by User:JBW.

Removed by page creator with comment Removed proposed deletion notice. Ramadhan Jalil is not an amateur footballer, he's a proffesional footballer who have played with 1st tier league club in Malaysia (reserve team/u21 squad) and also represented Malaysia U17 and U19 national football team and have played in continental competitions before. He's currently played with fourth division club in Malaysia football league system.

Despite what the creator says, youth team appearances do not meet the requirements of WP:NFOOTBALL. There are a lot of references in the article but, upon closer inspection, most of them don't mention Ramadhan at all and, those that do, mention him only once. All of these mentions are youth team squad list mentions so clearly do not meet the requirements of significant coverage as defined clearly at WP:GNG. He is currently playing in the amateur Terengganu Amateur League which is three whole tiers below the professional level in Malaysia.

If Ramadhan does not meet GNG then the article absolutely should be deleted regardless of what our personal opinions are of him. I'm happy to do a source assessment table if people would find this useful. No decent coverage found in a Malaysian source search. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:09, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:09, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:09, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Malaysia-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:09, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:11, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - fails GNG and NFOOTBALL. Giant Snowman 19:39, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete fails GNG and NFOOTY Dr Salvus 01:16, 29 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Just wanna hear your thought as Ramadhan Jalil has played with Kuala Lumpur and Melaka United reserves team before, football clubs that played in Malaysia Super League, first tier in Malaysia football league system. He also has competed in Malaysia FA Cup before with Kerteh FC where winners of the competition are awarded a slot to compete in the AFC Cup alongside the champions of the Malaysia Super League. Instead of delete, may i request the article to be moved into userspace or into draftspace, as the subjects may not yet notable, but will likely become notable in the near future. --Manarianz5 (talk) 03:29, 29 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Reserve teams, as with youth teams, do not support a notability claim as the coverage is much less than for the senior team. You can create a userspace copy if you wish. I would not support a move to draftspace as there is no clear evidence that this player is on the verge of being notable as there is not even one source showing significant coverage let alone the multiple sources that GNG requires. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 17:53, 29 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 13:49, 29 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.