Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ragy Thomas

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus with no prejudice against speedy renomination. Consensus is difficult to determine here because of likely sockpuppetry, and too much of the commentary being focused on the nominator and/or commenters rather than whether or not this subject is notable. A new discussion focusing on the subject's actual notability is likely to produce a clearer result. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 01:36, 20 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ragy Thomas[edit]

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Not corresponding WP:ANYBIO, spam links like forbes (contributor) or twocircles.net. Passing mentions in WSJ are not independent and not deep enough to counted as reliable independent sources. Obvious WP:Promo, WP:COI 多少战场龙 (talk) 10:56, 26 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - I removed a couple of social media links that were added after I created this. Two circles and Forbes contributor are weak, but are used to source fairly uncontroversial info. Other sourcing meets WP:GNG. Nom looks like a sock. New account, short history of similar token edits, almost all reverted, then uses Twinkle to nominate this, citing multiple policies that would be unfamiliar to newcomers, including being familiar with the Forbes journalist versus Forbes contributor distinction. This and Sprinklr have a history of being targeted by socks, although it has been quiet for a while. See Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Electiondata/Archive. WP:NOTHERE TimTempleton ^(talk) ^(cont) 16:51, 26 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Businesspeople, Kerala, and New Jersey. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:40, 26 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

*Keep per Timtempleton Imperfect Boy (talk) 06:09, 27 August 2022 (UTC) Blocked sock. Beccaynr (talk) 02:39, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep - the person is notable and famous. per [[User:T --Nomatter No no (talk) 07:24, 29 August 2022 (UTC)imtempleton|Timtempleton]][reply]

why you hate this man? Nomatter No no (talk) 07:27, 29 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Why you socking, it's not allowed? Oaktree b (talk) 18:00, 3 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Beccaynr looks like someone's additional "sock" account too. Not a good sign for a AfD debates. 多少战场龙 (talk) 07:32, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed - thanks but no thanks. No socks welcome here. TimTempleton ^(talk) ^(cont) 17:02, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

~~Delete~~ — Duplicate vote: 多少战场龙 (talk • contribs) has already cast a vote above.
Comment as the topic didn't receive significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Let's read WP:ANYBIO:
1. Significant coverage" addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content. Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material. - no such a link. Perhaps, Forbes [1] is the only one worth mentioning in the article, however it tells us a lot about Sprinklr, and it doesn't allow to write an article about the living person.

2. Reliable" means that sources need editorial integrity to allow verifiable evaluation of notability, per the reliable source guideline. Sources may encompass published works in all forms and media, and in any language. Availability of secondary sources covering the subject is a good test for notability. The article is full of spam websites and blogs like: [2] with 80k views per month, dmnews [3] with 11k views per month; chiefmarketer [4] with 28k views per month, and so on. None of them is reliable. Interviews... I don't count them as they are not appropriate by default. --多少战场龙 (talk) 07:54, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

多少战场龙 - Please review Miscellaneous advice in the Guide to deletion, your nomination already counts as a !vote, so I have struck your additional bolded recommendation. Beccaynr (talk) 14:11, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

sure 多少战场龙 (talk) 14:25, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Delete - looks like a possible paid job for self promotional content - FOX 52 ^talk! 08:17, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@FOX 52 that what I meant. 多少战场龙 (talk) 07:50, 2 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep - Per WP:BASIC, which permits a combination of sources, there appears to be some support for his notability, e.g. New York City Casts a Net to Catch the Next Big Start-Up (NYT, 2016, Thomas quoted as founder and CEO of Sprinklr, with context e.g. "His start-up has raised $125 million in venture funding and is valued at $1 billion"), in addition to a 2016 NYT interview. A 2016 Fortune article similarly frames the development of the company in biographical terms, e.g. "Sprinklr founder and CEO Ragy Thomas's quest to create a "command central"". A 2021 Reuters article includes, e.g. "Sprinklr, which began in 2009 in a spare bedroom in founder and Chief Executive Officer Ragy Thomas's house in New Jersey" and a 2021 Indian Express article includes, "customer experience management firm Sprinklr saw its shares rise 12 per cent, which also catapulted its founder — Kerala-born Ragy Thomas — into the billionaires club." Thomas has also been involved in a controversy related to Sprinklr in India, e.g. 2020 Business Standard, which also mentions, "Non-Resident Keralite Ragy Thomas founded the company and offered his service free, considering the health of his parents and other elderly people in the state." A 2020 News Minute explainer includes, "the US company was founded by tech executive Ragy Thomas, who hails from Kerala. He had worked for several years in the US prior to launching his own venture, Sprinklr". There are many promotional/press release/nonindependent sources to sort through (e.g. this CNN interview notes "(CNN is also a Sprinklr client.)"), but from my view, there has been some independent coverage of Thomas, initially as the founder and CEO of Sprinklr, and then later during the controversy (which seems to clearly not be promotional) that is included in the Sprinklr article. Beccaynr (talk) 16:11, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Bad-faith nomination by a suspicious account. MrsSnoozyTurtle 22:40, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@MrsSnoozyTurtle I carefully read all the links provided in the article and found that the subject doesn't correspond WP:ANYBIO and maybe falls upon WP:COI. I don't see why this nomination is bad or suspicious. 多少战场龙 (talk) 07:48, 2 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
多少战场龙}, it is bad-faith because you seem to be targeting Timtempleton's articles and suspicious because of the sockpuppet behaviour. Regards, MrsSnoozyTurtle 23:03, 3 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Please keep it civil, everyone.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 13:21, 3 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment on the fence about the quality of the sources, some are better than others. Leaning delete. Oaktree b (talk) 13:31, 3 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Way to feed the socks people. I’ll add some of the additional sources pointed out above when I get a chance. TimTempleton ^(talk) ^(cont) 02:31, 4 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete not meeting WP:GNG; possible undeclared paid editing in violation of wikipedia guidelines. 2600:6C50:7E00:400:346E:7B56:2AB8:7FB9 (talk) 14:21, 4 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Great - another ip sock for the checkuser team to sort through. TimTempleton ^(talk) ^(cont) 04:47, 5 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The checkuser team is going to have a drawer full of them :) MrsSnoozyTurtle 08:51, 5 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - I added some more sources, mostly interviews in business media. I'm fully expecting this brand new ~~user~~ account to start arguing that interviews aren't good sources, and I already have my response ready. TimTempleton ^(talk) ^(cont) 20:54, 5 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisted to review sources added in [5]
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, DatGuy^Talk_Contribs 15:21, 10 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Selective Merge and Redirect to Sprinklr per WP:NBUSINESSPERSON and WP:ATD. Fails WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV. All of the in depth coverage, while from quality publications like The New York Times and CNN, are interviews and therefore lack independence from the subject. No independent sources address the subject directly and in detail as required by our policies. There is just not enough here to indicate the subject is notable.4meter4 (talk) 01:24, 19 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Added independent Inc. profile. with 30 minute video interview. From the text: As founder, chairman, and CEO of Sprinklr, Ragy Thomas has been instrumental in leading the firm from a seedling of an idea to a multibillion-dollar SaaS company. Now waiting for any vote strikers. TimTempleton ^(talk) ^(cont) 00:30, 20 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
That source is marked (in tiny letters at the end, after the black line) "Sponsored Business Content", and it is based on his statements without much secondary context or commentary. Beccaynr (talk) 00:43, 20 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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