Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/R160 road (Ireland)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Procedural keep pending further discussion. (non-admin closure) SST flyer 03:23, 7 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

R160 road (Ireland)[edit]

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This road is a regional road in Ireland and is not notable per WP:GNG and WP:GEOROAD because of a lack of multiple secondary sources. The sources on this article only confirm the fact that the road exists, but is a local road (to the county) and is therefore not notable and shouldn't be included on Wikipedia. st170e^talk 00:12, 31 May 2016 (UTC) I am also nominating the following related pages for the same reasons:[reply]

Delete: It's not notable enough. Most regional roads don't seem notable. —MRD2014 (formerly Qpalzmmzlapq) T C 00:40, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

User:MRD2014 pinging you because I've added more relevant pages to the nomination. st170e^talk 01:13, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ireland-related deletion discussions. st170e^talk 01:18, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: It is too short of an article. 2602:306:3357:BA0:70E5:1E5D:56FC:CFF8 (talk) 01:19, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions. st170e^talk 01:28, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - ~~St170e~~ 2602:306:3357:BA0:70E5:1E5D:56FC:CFF8's argument that the article is too short is invalid. Current article length is not, and will never be a deletion criteria. That said, this particular local road does not seem to be notable in any appreciable way, which is a deletion criteria. So delete. Fieari (talk) 02:43, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

You seem to be mistaken User:Fieari, I did not comment on article length. st170e^talk 02:48, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

My apologies. My eyes glazed over at the long string of hex codes that is the intended person's username, and your signature was close enough for me to mistake it. Sorry! Fieari (talk) 05:57, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Unnotable road. Anarchyte (work | talk) 07:17, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, listifying it doesn't seem such a bad idea. I'm not going as far as to say keep though. Anarchyte (work | talk) 08:24, 6 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comment If these roads are deleted, then probably most of the Regional roads linked in the {{Roads in Ireland}} page footer template should go for consistency, and the template be remodelled to link only to notable roads. Some have been around a long time - this isn't just one editor mass-creating stubs: see R444 road (Ireland) created 2007 by @Sarah777:, R600 road (Ireland) created 2011 by @Darrman:, R123 road (Ireland), created 2012 by @O'Dea:, etc.

If these roads aren't found to be notable enough for stand-alone articles, perhaps it would be more helpful if the effort which has been put into them was recycled into a List of Irish Regional Roads (possibly split into two or more numerical ranges if it's too cumbersome) which could give a table with the basic information, with the sources already provided, for each of the roads, and would link out to the minority which are actually notable (and have incoming redirects for the rest). If the seven articles here were deleted, it would leave seven more redlinks on that template: I suggest that that would be to the detriment of the encyclopedia. There are a lot of articles on a lot of fairly non-notable roads around the world (yes, I know about WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS!) I guess this adds up to Keep all pending discussion of the whole group of "Irish Regional Roads" and the template and consideration of creating a List rather than mass deleting. PamD 10:20, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I have left a note at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Highways/Europe#Irish_Regional_Roads to alert European Roads experts (there's no Irish Roads project as such) to this discussion. PamD 10:25, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I would be quite happy to merge all of the roads into a List of Irish Regional Roads because most of them aren't notable, with a few exceptions like R101 road (Ireland). st170e^talk 12:49, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Listify per PamD. Typical practice in the U.S. is to listify minor roads that are likely to get a mention somewhere else (example: List of county routes in Rockland County, New York (1–38)) and I don't see these regional roads as being any different. –Fredddie ™ 11:14, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Merge into a list as suggested by PamD. While the individual roads do not appear to have sourceable notability, the system seems to (based on my cursory understanding of the content at Regional road). The WP:USRD/RCS-style approach mentioned by Fredddie would work well here. --Kinu ^t/_c 18:48, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep all, pending a broader discussion of Regional roads and the {{Roads in Ireland}} template. I endorse much of what PamD has said above. The template, with R roads, has been in existence since 2010 and may appear to confer class notability. Considerable effort has gone into many of these articles over time.

I would add that R roads are not county roads, though many run within a single county. They are a national system of regional roads below national primary and secondary routes. Many, often large, areas near the west coast are only reachable by R roads, particularly peninsulas. Areas of cultural and natural significance. Ireland's N roads are limited to two digits, whereas UK A roads run to three (or indeed four) digits and appear to have notability as a class. Axxx roads in Scotland, a good Ireland analogue in population, transport and terrain, are sometimes single-track or short and frequently minimally referenced in their articles. (This might be WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS but possible useful analogues have been mentioned)

I would offer that a good many R roads are significant, in the Irish transport context. Not all, I accept. And I hope we primarily consider this issue in the context of these roads' importance to Ireland. Disclaimer: I have created a number of R road articles myself, but wanted to add to this important discussion as such an editor and I hope the other pinged editors will too. Thanks, Declangi (talk) 00:48, 4 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep all— for now, but we can listify them in the future pending a discussion on what to do with them. Imzadi 1979 → 09:18, 4 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep all and listify per WP:FIVEPILLARS. Wikipedia functions in part as a gazetteer. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 16:46, 4 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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