Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/R. K. Mittal

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The result was no consensus. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 13:07, 15 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

R. K. Mittal[edit]

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Doesn't qualify WP:Academic. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 02:54, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 02:54, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Robert McClenon (talk) 06:04, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep. In India a Vice-Chancellor is the de facto head of a university, so he meets WP:PROF#C6. ~~Google Scholar also shows a few highly-cited (>100) papers, so there's a weak case for WP:PROF#C1.~~ It would be nice if we could find sources that say something beyond these bare facts, though. – Joe (talk) 09:46, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hey, I think we shouldn't assume that vice-chancelor is the de-facto head of this university unless we have evidence that this holds true for everyone. About Google Scholar, the profile you have given seems to be a different person that the person in question. The Google scholar profile person belongs to BITS (A highly reputed engineering college in India). While the subject of this page is associated with different universities. May please double check if they are same people. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 02:33, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It does. See the article I linked, A "vice-chancellor" (commonly called a "VC") serves as the chief executive of a university in England, Wales, Northern Ireland, New Zealand, Australia, Nepal, India, Bangladesh, Malaysia, Nigeria, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, South Africa, Kenya, other Commonwealth countries, and some universities in Hong Kong. That is what Vice-Chancellor means in these university systems. You're right about the Google Scholar profile; struck that part, but it's still a weak keep per WP:PROF#C6 for me. It would be very strange if there wasn't significant coverage about the head of a university. – Joe (talk) 09:20, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, thanks for sharing this. I read and I agree that the article says so. However, this information at Chancellor (education) remains unsourced. But I guess we can leave that and agree on your argument. I have added his profile at university website as a source since current source is sort of a syndicated feed. So does it mean all vice-chancelors of accredited universities would be presumed notable? That would be a lot. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 13:46, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

~~Delete~~ unless Ch. Bansi Lal is considered an important school. Actual GS profile of Dr Mittal. Joe, is this university (founded in 2014) actually considered a major institution, per the language in C6? From what I've seen through a quick search it doesn't appear to be even close. JoelleJay (talk) 04:53, 29 March 2021 (UTC) EDIT: Changed to neutral. JoelleJay (talk) 02:39, 15 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@JoelleJay: I don't think there's a clear consensus on what "major" means in those criteria. Personally I'd say that an accredited, degree-awarding state university is. – Joe (talk) 13:28, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Stifle (talk) 13:51, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Joe Roe:, while that makes some sense, it doesn't really explain why "major" is used in the guideline rather than clearer language (like "state university or major private university"). Does that mean all state/provincial universities in every country are "major"? There are 416 state universities in India, although only 249 of them qualify for UGC funding under Section 12(B) of the UGC Act (whatever that means). There are also 8 Ayurveda universities among them, which I believe would require greater scrutiny of notability considerations per FRINGE. The degree of specialization of the colleges (e.g. Gujarat University of Transplantation Sciences) also does seem quite a bit different from what a "state university" is in North America. I'd be curious to see the discussion that led to the wording in C6. JoelleJay (talk) 17:04, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I think you'd have go digging pretty deep in the archives to find that! But I suspect part of the answer is that higher education systems vary so widely from country to country, so it's hard to find specific wording that fits everywhere (the current guideline is already quite US-centric). – Joe (talk) 07:57, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Keep per Joe Roe's thinking. On top of that I've found a fair amount of mentions of him while searching. Keep in mind I'm not saying these provide notability, but if I can dig these up it leads me to believe that if I read Hindi I could find enough to show notability. This combined with Joe's explanation is why I'm at where I'm at. [1][2][3][4] ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 15:41, 14 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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