Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Puss (Swedish music duo)

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The result was delete. Randykitty (talk) 14:39, 7 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Puss (Swedish music duo)[edit]

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googling a bit does not reveal any obvious notability. The article also has no WP:RS reliable sources required to WP:V verify neither its WP:GNG general notability nor WP:BAND. This music duo may therefore be a subject unsuitable for a standalone article. AadaamS (talk) 18:07, 22 April 2018 (UTC) AadaamS (talk) 18:07, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. MT Train^Talk 09:18, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sweden-related deletion discussions. MT Train^Talk 09:18, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: the group were nominated in the Best Dance/Club Artist category at the 2003 Swedish Grammis, the country's leading annual music award ceremony [1]. But that's about all I can find online, and it depends whether you consider a simple nomination enough for notability – there may be sources in the Swedish music press of the early 2000s. It should be noted that although the group is still active and playing live gigs, their recorded output seems to consist of one self-released album in 2001, and a 2003 downloadable EP of one song and its remixes... nothing else in the last 15 years. Richard3120 (talk) 14:05, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Richard3120 It's not about whether I consider them notable, WP guidelines are the yardstick. How are the critieria of WP:BAND satisfied? AadaamS (talk) 03:56, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@AadaamS: apologies, the "you" wasn't directed at you personally, it was meant for any editor reading this AfD in general... perhaps I should have said "it depends if one considers a simple nomination enough", but it just sounds too formal.

Anyway, in answer to your question, they meet criterion 8 of WP:BAND - they have been nominated for a major music award. But personally I would like to find some more verifiable information to establish notability than just this. Richard3120 (talk) 12:46, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I may be guilty of overreacted there to the you, it's a misinterpretation on my part since English is not my mother tongue. I may even have a preference for one which translates straight from my mother tongue in meaning and usage. AadaamS (talk) 05:22, 26 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It is true that WP:BAND states that a mere nomination appears to endow notability. Also the WP:GNG must be satisfied ... which means about 3 articles or sections in a book which describes the group. Being mentioned in a list of nominees amounts to WP:TRIVIALMENTION. AadaamS (talk) 05:22, 26 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, mainly because of the Grammis Award nomination. I've brifely gone through a Swedish media archive and added a couple of references to cover the most basic facts. /Julle (talk) 01:04, 26 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

In order to satisfy WP:GNG, source coverage must go beyond WP:TRIVIALMENTION. A WP:RS source is an article or section in a book which describes the group itself, not briefly mentions the name as part of a list of nominees. AadaamS (talk) 05:15, 26 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Randykitty (talk) 15:30, 29 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. For the nomination for the Grammis award. This automatically makes the band notable as per WP:MUSICBIO. 'Has won or been nominated for a major music award, such as a Grammy, Juno, Mercury, Choice or Grammis award.'. Ross-c (talk) 17:13, 29 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, fails GNG. The two "keep" votes argue a keep per WP:MUSICBIO #7 because the duo was nominated for an award, but MUSICBIO is a SSG that states that an ensemble "may be notable", and SSGs do not overrule GNG. The duo's single album is up for discusssion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/We Are Puss. Sam Sailor 18:30, 30 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. WP:MUSICBIO states that they have won or been nominated for a major music award, such as a Grammy, Juno, Mercury, Choice or Grammis award, but the the Grammis award for which they were nominated—club/dance—is not a major category. The nomination and their music has not garnered enough interest to make they notable yet. Hopefully a case of WP:TOOSOON. Walter Görlitz (talk) 18:59, 30 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.