Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Punjab Janata Morcha

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The result was redirect to Kirpal Singh (politician). Anything worth merging elsewhere is available from the history. Randykitty (talk) 12:05, 19 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Punjab Janata Morcha[edit]

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A non notable Indian Political party that was disbanded within 6 years. The party never won any election[1]. Fails WP:NORG and WP:GNG DBig Xray 20:17, 27 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, "The president was the late Kirpal Singh, a former Janata Dal leader, who broke away after being denied the Amristar ticket in 1989, got elected MP independently, and then formed the new party.", this means the party was represented in the Lok Sabha 1989-1991, and thus passes for notability. --Soman (talk) 20:26, 27 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately your (Author's) justification does not exactly state how it makes this party notable. even if he is assumed to be notable that does not automatically qualify his party to be notable. Did the party win any seats ? was there any notable work done by the party ? did it receive any widespread coverage in WP:MAINSTREAM Media WP:RS ? No. I strongly believe this fails WP:GNG however if you can establish the notability, I am open to withdraw my nomination. As of now I stand by my nomination. thank you. --DBig Xray 20:39, 27 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 21:12, 27 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 21:13, 27 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. A person elected to a state or national parliament is automatically considered notable. Failing to obtain a party's nomination in an election can be explained by many things, including policy differences within the party. Did the party win any seats? At least one, that of Kirpal Singh. I think that any political party that is represented in a state or national legislature ought to be considered notable. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 21:20, 27 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Kirpal Singh[2] won the election as Independent candidate and then formed the party (not vice versa, that you are assuming). (party was never (and can never be) denied nomination). Anyway person may be notable, party is not. Party never won any elections[3]. Parties formed by notable persons still need to qualify notability. Your argument is based on this incorrect assumption on party. I appreciate policy and source based AfD debates. Can you provide sources for the party to justify notability ? If no sources, then Kindly reconsider your !Vote . --DBig Xray 21:26, 27 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Even if the sequence you describe is correct, the party was represented in a legislature, and is therefore notable. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 21:34, 27 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Please check the legislature official link again[4] He is mentioned as an Independent. So No the party was not represented in the parliament. Please share your sources in support of notability. Thanks. --DBig Xray 21:40, 27 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Kirpal Singh was independent at the time of election, which makes him notable, not the party. -- » Shadowowl | talk 23:37, 27 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 03:29, 3 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

~~Delete There is impressive little to delete here after 14 years. Ubehage (talk) 18:52, 7 August 2018 (UTC)~~[reply]

And you know that Punjab Janata Morcha is not notable when interest in its deletion discussion looks to be more than 10 times as interesting as the article itself.

https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&start=2018-04-26&end=2018-07-27&pages=Punjab_Janata_Morcha

~~Ubehage (talk) 16:18, 9 August 2018 (UTC)~~[reply]

Struck content above per WP:SOCKSTRIKE. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 00:03, 10 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete-I fail to understand the keep !votes.The party was never represented in a parliament, (it's founder won a seat but as an independent and then found the party) and there is just nil coverage about the party other than trivial mentions as something found by Kirpal, which vanished soon-after. Nowhere near passage of our notability guidelines.∯WBG^converse 09:31, 8 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Article says it was split from Janata Dal, so merging/redirecting there per WP:ATD should be discussed as an alternative to deletion.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, So Why 15:49, 11 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment being the Nom I have no objections to Merging. With this edit, I have already merged this article to Janata Dal. The subject on its own is not notable, even the redirect is of Questionable notability, but I am ok to keep the redirect.--DBig Xray 16:25, 11 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
These were 2 separate parties, merging articles improves nothing and just creates a mess. --Soman (talk) 20:03, 11 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

WP:Mergeing is a perfectly valid WP:ATD how does it create a mess ? The other viable option is Delete here, since no claim to notability with source has been provided.--DBig Xray 20:09, 11 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This is a bit of a mess. It's fairly clear that the topic doesn't meet GNG; however, as a party represented in the national parliament (it doesn't particularly matter that the party was formed after Singh's election: the party still held a seat in parliament) it's also clearly notable. The quantity of available information is not large, suggesting that a standalone page is not necessary, but the information should be somewhere. The best outcome in my view would be to merge and redirect this to Kirpal Singh (politician); the founder, as an MP, is unquestionably notable. We could look at a merger into Janata Dal, but I don't think that's practical. The JD had innumerable factions join and leave it; we cannot, and should not try, to treat them all at any level of detail in the main article. Vanamonde (talk) 10:16, 19 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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