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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎. I see a consensus to Keep this article and no support for Deletion other than the nominator. Liz Read! Talk! 05:51, 10 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Puerto Rico Daily Sun[edit]

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Short-lived (2008-2011) defunct newspaper that fails WP:GNG and WP:ORG as it lacks WP:RS Mztourist (talk) 10:15, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep. We don't base delete nominations on something being "defunct" nor "short-lived" -- which "short-lived" is in itself a questionable personal judgement not based on any of our WP policies. Instead we judge notability on coverage, and the newspaper been widely covered in books [1], the news [2], even scholarly and academia [3] and others [4]. So it doesn't lack Reliably Sources, plus with all those sources available meets Notability as well. Mercy11 (talk) 11:07, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • You'll have to provide more than just general Google Searches to satisfy RS. Where is the significant coverage in reliable sources of this newspaper? A passing mention in DK Eyewitness Top 10 Travel Guide: Puerto Rico doesn't cut it, particularly as the 2015 edition claims that the newspaper was still operating when it had shut down 4 years previously. While the first page of your "news" search: [5] just brings up multiple stories by Michelle Kantrow Vasquez where her details mention that she worked for the Daily Sun. Your "scholarly and academia" is just the same Michelle Kantrow Vasquez bio as for news. The book Casa Pueblo: A Puerto Rican Model of Self-Governance, just mentions a couple of stories that the Daily Sun ran, not about the newspaper itself. Where in Que Ondee Sola and the Luis V. Gutiérrez Congressional Archives is the significant coverage of the paper? We already knew the paper existed briefly, but you haven't proven its notability. Mztourist (talk) 12:39, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. The newspaper with the largest circulation in Puerto Rico dedicated an article on the occasion of the first anniversary of the Puerto Rico Daily Sun. Yarfpr (talk) 02:16, 1 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • The "article" [6] published in 2009 is paywalled, so can't determine whether or not it is significant coverage. You also haven't shown that the paper still exists. Mztourist (talk) 03:03, 1 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed, Rosguill talk 06:42, 3 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment. The paper's inauguration was covered by The Associated Press (Danica Coto. The Associated Press. "English Language Daily to Debut in Puerto Rico: Roughly 15,000 copies of the Puerto Rico Daily Sun will be printed on Wednesday and about 2,000 subscribers have already signed up." 22 October 2008. p.1.) available at NewsBank and seen here. Mercy11 (talk) 02:07, 4 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Meets WP:GNG. I did a brief search on Google Scholar and turned up "Convergencia, emoción y crisis: los periodistas en Puerto Rico evalúan su campo en el siglo xxi" [Convergence, emotion and crisis: Journalists in Puerto Rico evaluate their field in the 21st Century] here which is not about the Daily Sun specifically but more of the state of journalism as a whole in the country. Among other things, the paper identifies the four most significant national newspapers printed in Puerto Rico, of which the Puerto Rico Daily Sun is identified as one of the four. An additional source, also not primarily about the newspaper, is a doctoral dissertation here about protests and the University of Puerto Rico Student Occupation of 2010, that mentions, "The news media I utilized in this research were derived from four major daily newspapers—El Nuevo Dia, El Vocero, Primera Hora, and Puerto Rico Daily Sun; and two weekly newspapers—Claridad and Caribbean Business Journal." Combined with the paywalled article posted by Yarfpr, I'd say there is evidence of notability. This isn't a newsletter cranked out by some special interests in their garage. RecycledPixels (talk) 04:01, 4 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • WP:GNG requires significant coverage of the subject "directly and in detail", the sources provided are just "trivial mention"s. The paper existed briefly, it published various stories, that doesn't make it notable. Mztourist (talk) 09:14, 4 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • 1. Nonprofit journalism a new trend? Frances Robles, Miami Herald, 28 June 2009, page 3C. [7]. 2. Co-op-style daily newspaper debuts. Danica Coto, Associated Press, Miami Herald, 22 Oct 2008, page 3A. [8] RecycledPixels (talk) 16:09, 4 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. The Miami Herald dedicated a news story to the paper, which I added to the Puerto Rico Daily Sun article here. Yarfpr (talk) 01:06, 5 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • WP:SNOWBALL. Notability isn't based on how long something existed. User:Mztourist has been told this numerous times. Interestingly, however, if notability was based on length of existence, then the Puerto Rico Daily Sun would still be notable: the paper printed more issues in its 4 years than Time Magazine prints in a quarter of a century. It's naive to associate notability with length. Mercy11 (talk) 04:19, 5 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • User:Mercy11 GNG states that notability is based on "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." Criteria that still haven't been met here. As you seem very focussed on one aspect of my nomination: "Short-lived (2008-2011) defunct" simply provided the context of the newspaper, but obviously a newspaper that published for just over 3 years is unlikely to have the notability that for example a paper published for over 100 years and remains in existence enjoys. Your selective number of issues example is completely irrelevant as that is not a valid criteria for notability. Mztourist (talk) 04:43, 5 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • "criteria that still haven't been met"?...Excuse me, but have you been to the article since you posted your AfD? If you haven't, a visit might be enlightening. It has been edited about 10 times by 3 editors and, in the process, the number of cites went up from 1 to 7. If you have, then I am not sure what world you are living in that you are even talking about 100-year old papers -- notability isn't measured by 100-year-old WaPo and NYT. Please get real; there isn't a single editor who as little as gave this nomination a "weak support". And, no, there isn't any aspect of this nomination that I can support either, even weakly. Mercy11 (talk) 01:04, 9 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • You have already made your position clear. You were the one inventing notability based on comparisons of issues published compared to Time magazine. Mztourist (talk) 02:59, 9 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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