Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Prince Aimone, Duke of Apulia

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. I think sufficient arguments have been made in favour of keep - especially regarding meaningful content that could be used in the article. Tone 18:09, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Prince Aimone, Duke of Apulia[edit]

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Mostly routine genealogical information and the like, even disputed that his father is heir to the Italian throne. PatGallacher (talk) 11:11, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Italy-related deletion discussions. - hako9 (talk) 11:54, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 11:58, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete , non notable person. Smeat75 (talk) 18:17, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Please elaborate on this what you mean by "non notable". Aimone di Savoia is the first and so far only member of the former royal house who have been awarded with the Knighthood of the Order of Merit of the Republic of Italy, this due to his longstanding professional career in Russian-Italian buisnessrelations. He recieved this order last year in 2019. Oleryhlolsson (talk) 21:26, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, the matter of dispute about the headship of the house of Savoy (former royal house of Italy and former royal house of the Kingdom of Sardinia) is of encyclopedic relevans, and this guy is a central figure in that dispute. Furthermore this article dosen't merely consist of genealogical information. Oleryhlolsson (talk) 10:19, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see that in the article. Maybe his business activities could make him notable but other than saying he heads Pirelli in Russia, the article does not address that but waffles on about nonexistent, abolished royal titles and positions. Smeat75 (talk) 22:32, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

As of October 2019 he is also the official representative of the Sovereign Military Order of Malta to the Russian Federation. Oleryhlolsson (talk) 23:02, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete matters about deposed houses with no actual power have absolutely zero encyclopedic relevance.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:26, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Who cares about this stuff anyway? Is that your best argument for deleting an article? If soo it's not realy a proper argument. The article is well sourced, both on the matter of the headship of the house and on the personal details about Aimone Umberto Emanuele Filiberto Luigi Amedeo Elena Maria Fiorenzo di Savoia-Aosta and his life and professional career (President of the Russian branch of the company Pirelli among other things). Normaly we deal with these articles on the principle on how well sourced they are or not. Oleryhlolsson (talk) 20:50, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I would like to see some more input here. So far, the two notability claims are being a businessman and being a diplomat (none of which is by-default notability). Those should be evaluated more in detail, perhaps it is enough.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Tone 12:51, 29 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep well-sourced article. This individual is notable either from his involvement in the dispute about the headship of the House of Savoy or his business activities. As Oleryhlolsson mentioned, he is the official representative of the Sovereign Military Order of Malta to the Russian Federation and has many business pursuits in Russia. If kept the article should mention these. There is much more to this article than genealogical information and there is the potential for more. Most of the delete votes seem to be WP:PPOV WP:WHOCARES. --Richiepip (talk) 23:52, 29 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: The House of Savoy is a royal dynasty that spans over a thousand years. The throne of Italy may be defunct but the house still exists. Thus, the Duke's dispute over precedence as the head of the house is a matter of encyclopedic relevance. The article is also well sourced in non-royal matters and WP:WHOCARES is hardly a valid enough reason to get rid of an article with potential. TheRedDomitor (talk) 05:28, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. As for notability I can point on these matters that would be of importance in some way or another:
- Is part of the dispute in the family of Savoy about the headship for the family, and has since 2006 styled himself as "Crownprince" of Italy (or the title equivalent of that).
- Participated in the Gulf War on board the frigate "Maestrale".
- 1994: Moved to Moscow to work for Tripcovich Trading Company.
- 2000: Hired by Pirelli as CEO, responsible for the market in Russia and the countries of the former USSR.
- 2001: Joined his father on a trip to the North Pole in commemoration of Luigi Amedeo of Savoy's arctic expedition 1899-1900.
- Since 1 July 2012 he has been CEO of Pirelli Tire Nordic, responsible for all markets in the Scandinavian countries.
- Since 1 September 2013, Executive Director of Pirelli Tire in the Russian Federation and Northern Europe.
- Since 2017 he has been president of the Italian entrepreneurial council, the liaison body of the Italian business associations operating in the Russian Federation.
- Since November 2019 he has been ambassador of the Sovereign Military Order of Malta to the Russian Federation.
Awards and decorations:
- Awarded the Order of Friendship by President Vladimir Putin in 2018.
- On 7 May 2019 awarded with the Knighthood of the Order of Merit of the Italian Republic (first member of the family of Savoy to get this award from the Italian Republic).
Sources:
If one only search in the English language you are not likely to find the best sources on these matters. You have to search in Italian and Russian to find the most reliable and important sources on these matters, and sources on all these matters can be found in the Italian and Russian Wikipedia articles. Oleryhlolsson (talk) 23:26, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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