Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pink Gorilla

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The result was no consensus. This discussion failed to produce any clear consensus on whether or not the sources provided establish notability. — Coffee // have a cup // beans // 04:08, 25 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Pink Gorilla[edit]

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Retro video game store not notable outside Seattle. Almost exclusively primary source or local coverage. All other mentions in a video game reliable sources custom Google search are passing mentions. There are no worthwhile redirect targets (closest would be to create an article on Retrogaming in Seattle, if the sourcing warranted it, but we have no indication that it does). czar 21:24, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions. czar 21:27, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Fails WP:ORG, seems somewhat self-promotional. South Nashua (talk) 17:23, 1 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
1. Kohler, Chris (2008-08-31). "PAX: Okay, I Bought China Warrior". Wired. Archived from the original on 2017-03-07. Retrieved 2017-03-07.
  The article notes:
  
  Pink Godzilla is pretty fantastic, for what it’s worth. Their prices on classic Japanese games are pretty much what you’d expect to pay in Akihabara. They’re totally reasonable, the people are friendly, and their stock is absurdly deep.
2. Carson, Biz (2013-11-15). "Seattle's Epic Underground Scene and a Cool Pinball Museum". Wired. Archived from the original on 2017-03-07. Retrieved 2017-03-07.
  The article notes:
  
  (5) Pink Gorilla The place to go for all your vintage gaming needs—anything from an Atari Asteroids cartridge for $2.99 to Little Samson, an original Nintendo release, for $550.
3. Siegel, Scott Jon (2007-02-08). "Off the Grid reviews Pink Godzilla Dev Kit". Engadget. Archived from the original on 2017-03-07. Retrieved 2017-03-07.
  The article notes:
  
  This game was clearly made for me. An analog game about developing digital games? It's like they were listening to my dreams.
  The "they" in this case is Pink Godzilla Games, a hip little video game store based in Seattle. Although their current claim to fame is a ping pong tournament against the Penny Arcade boys, they've also recently gotten into the analog game business. At PAX 2006, they debuted the beta version of the Pink Godzilla Dev Kit, a full-color card game designed by attorney(!) Christopher Rao. It's all about creating video games, and the creators have certainly done their homework when it comes to appealing to the gamer crowd. In-jokes and references abound in this strategy title about everyone's favorite fantasy job.
  ...
  Dev Kit's biggest flaw at the moment is its presentation of the rules, which can be fairly confusing to first-timers. The included manual is laid out in a somewhat illogical order, and the game's myriad of rules, instances, and special cards are presented in a dry, uninteresting manner.
4. Bennett, Colette (2007-12-19). "Rock out in Seattle at Pinkapalooza". Destructoid. Archived from the original on 2017-03-07. Retrieved 2017-03-07.
  The article notes:
  
  Discovering the Pink Godzilla store in Seattle during PAX almost resulted in an orgasmic version of my death. Being the game and toy obsessee that I am, the sheer selection of awesomeness they have avaliable put me in a state of paralysed bliss, which thankfully wore off after ten minutes or so. After recovering, I managed to buy some things and lick the Super Famicom selection a little.
  If you live in Seattle, there is an event hosted by Pink Godzilla tonight that you shouldn't miss. Pinkapalooza is a Rock Band themed charity event being hosted at the Nectar Lounge in Seattle's Fremont District tonight.
  Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Sources lists Destructoid as a reliable source.
5. Wong, Brad (2006-09-30). "Pretty Packed in Pink - A Tiny Video-Game Store Filled With Collectibles". Seattle Post-Intelligencer. Archived from the original on 2017-03-07. Retrieved 2017-03-07.
  The article notes:
  
  In this spirit, Seattle businessmen Greg Hess and Nathan Paine hope that Pink Godzilla, their video-game store, will add another touch of bustling Asia to the city's retail scene.
  Just walk into their 280-square- foot store in the International District to find out.
  The two 30-year-olds have managed to cram in more than 5,600 unique items, including game cartridges, figurines, old-school consoles and their company-branded clothing.
6. 8bitjoystick (2009-06-14). "Pink Godzilla Games is changing their name". Seattle Post-Intelligencer. Archived from the original on 2017-03-07. Retrieved 2017-03-07.{{cite news}}: CS1 maint: numeric names: authors list (link)
  The article notes:
  
  I have some hard-hitting world exclusive videogame industry news to break right here right now on this blog. Seattle’s best retro and import games retailer Pink Godzilla Games is in the process of undergoing a re-branding.
  For the past several years I have greatly enjoyed buying import and retro games at their location in Seattle’s International District near Uwajimayas but in the back of my mind I was always a little worried that the lawyers from Godzilla would send them a strongly worded letter requesting that they changed the name of their business.
7. Machkovech, Sam (2009-10-02). "Out With Donkey Kong, In With Pink Gorilla". Seattle Metropolitan. Archived from the original on 2017-03-07. Retrieved 2017-03-07.
  The article notes:
  
  Leaves one option, then: the International District’s Pink Gorilla. Make that two options—PG is about to open a second spot in the U. District.
  ...
  Since 2005, PG has sat quietly in a multi-shop complex in the ID, one block from Uwajimaya, where its obsessive staff stocks a dreamy selection of rare and Japanese video games. Sandwiched between a manga/anime toy shop and an Asian video store, PG caters nicely to its neighbors’ demographic, though English-speaking geeks have as much to enjoy, from toys and dolls to a cherry-picked selection of classic games. It’s a candyland. But at less than 300 square feet, it’s cozy.
  After years of trying, co-owners Nathan Paine and Greg Hess have finally landed their dream retail location: Right on the freakin’ Ave.
  ...
  The growing chain has also recently released its own collectible card game, built up a successful line of PG-branded merch, and sold gobs of games at events like Seattle’s own Penny Arcade Expo. Even a recent name change (once “Pink Godzilla,” ‘til lawyers came a-callin’) hasn’t disrupted business.
There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Pink Gorilla to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".
Cunard (talk) 07:47, 7 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kurykh (talk) 03:53, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I know there was some work in putting together a list of sources but I'm not convinced that they meet the guidelines in WP:CORPDEPTH and/or WP:RS and I don't believe they establish notability. Some are trivial mentions or inclusions in lists (such as 1. and 2.) I like 3. as it appears to be a good independent source but the article is mostly about the game developed by Pink Gorilla and not the company itself. I'd reject 4. as it would not meet the definition of a "reliable" source and a lot of content is user generated. 5. is an advertorial and is not independent as it extensively quotes Primary sources. 6. is a blog and is therefore also refected as a reliable source. And for me, 7. is an advertorial in a local publication. -- HighKing⁺⁺ 13:53, 10 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

From WP:BASIC, "If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources may not be sufficient to establish notability." Combining all of the sources together demonstrates notability. The third source is about what the company has produced, its Dev Kit, so it is about the company.
The fourth source from Destructoid is reliable per Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Sources, which says "Like other blog sites, some content may be reliable, but only if the author can be established as such." The author is Colette Bennett, a professional journalist. According to https://www.linkedin.com/in/bennettcolette, she was general manager of Destructoid, a freelance writer for CNN, a writer for HLN, and is a senior writer for The Daily Dot. Her article is not user-generated.
The fifth article contains plenty of non-quoted material.
The sixth source is from a columnist syndicated to SFGate (link) and Seattle Post-Intelligencer (link). From Technologizer:
A bit of qualification: I follow 8BitJoystick’s Jake Metcalf on Twitter and he seems like a responsible writer. More importantly, he has a track record of digging up credible inside sources. He famously broke the news that Halo developer Bungie was leaving Microsoft (it was actually amusing to see bigger outlets laugh at him, then eat their words), and has posted a couple other juicy reports as well.
So when Metcalf says the source was “well vetted,” I believe him, even if the source’s information leaves me skeptical simply because it’s so unbelievable.
The seventh source is a store review of the subject so it is standard for the author to describe his thoughts about what the store is like.
Cunard (talk) 07:34, 11 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, sources provided by Cunard have demonstrated notability. This are the types of sources and responses we seek from those seeking inclusion. Not all, but most sources pass our requirement for independent RS. Valoem ^talk ^contrib 19:45, 12 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete -- sources are local, not meeting WP:AUD. An establishment of local notability; not encyclopedically relevant. K.e.coffman (talk) 01:08, 15 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Wired (magazine), Engadget, and Destructoid are definitely not local coverage, and have a consensus for being reliable, so that argument by itself doesn't really hold up... Sergecross73 msg me 12:29, 15 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - not nearly enough... okay any... in-depth sources. The best source (and there's really only one, is a local source. The rest are simple blurbs or mere mentions. Fails WP:GNG and WP:CORPDEPTH. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 02:11, 16 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kurykh (talk) 06:12, 16 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I see numerous sources in a cursory search. Coupled with those presented above, it seems to meet GNG.104.163.144.60 (talk) 18:05, 16 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: many stores will have local news cover but I don't think it has enough relevance to merit inclusion Porphyro (talk) 23:14, 16 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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