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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Yamamoto Ichiro 会話 17:13, 19 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Phillip Palethorpe[edit]

Phillip Palethorpe (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log)

Has not made an appearance in a fully professional league, so fails WP:BIO. robwingfield «T•C» 19:20, 13 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of football (soccer) related deletions. robwingfield «T•C» 19:21, 13 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Keep Delete. The player has played at least a season in a League Two top tier amateur football club, a British professional league, therefore meets WP:BIO. If you intend to contest the notability of players from this team, you will need to include around twenty more articles in this AfD. Redfarmer (talk) 19:57, 13 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment - both the article and Soccerbase state that he has yet to make an appearance for Chester City. robwingfield «T•C» 20:17, 13 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • The article does not currently state that he has not played in a game; it merely says he was benched for "many" games. In fact, if you look at the table near the bottom of the article, it states that he has made a total of five appearances while he has been on loan to Tamworth F.C. this season, meaning he has played in a professional top tier amateur (National League System) game. The Soccerbase data you quoted was only for Chester City. Redfarmer (talk) 20:25, 13 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • Indeed. As you've stated yourself, Tamworth do not play in a fully professional league, so Palethorpe does not satisfy WP:BIO by having played for them. robwingfield «T•C» 20:32, 13 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Competitors and coaches who have competed at the highest level in amateur sports (who meet the general criteria of secondary sources published about them).

The article already quotes a secondary source from BBC Sports. A quick Google search finds plenty of secondary sources. I keep my vote: strong keep. Redfarmer (talk) 20:37, 13 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Fails WP:BIO as he has not played in a fully-professional league. Although it is a top tier amatur league, it is a very long standing precendent that Conference players are not notable unless they have played at a higher level. пﮟოьεԻ 57 20:57, 13 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment: If that's the case, then someone should propose WP:BIO be rewritten. It clearly states that if the player has played in a top level amateur league and there are secondary sources on them, they meet the notability requirements. It doesn't mention Conference plays. Redfarmer (talk) 21:05, 13 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • No, it states "Competitors and coaches who have competed at the highest level in amateur sports." Football is a professional sport, not an amateur one. robwingfield «T•C» 21:16, 13 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • My apologies for my misreading. In that case, I am changing my vote to delete now, with no prejudice for recreation should he play some games when he returns to Chester City. Redfarmer (talk) 21:22, 13 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Fails WP: BIO as he's never (to date) played in a fully professional league. Dancarney (talk) 09:25, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as per WP:BIO. Capitalistroadster (talk) 09:36, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep I agree he hasn't played fully professional football, fair enough, but he is currently second choice goalkeeper for Chester City and I'm sure he will be making an appearance for them soon. Deleting the page for a matter of days seems very pointless and a waste of hard work. Let's remember as well when he makes his appearance for The Seals, he will be classed then as a fully professional player - but isn't he already that while he's at Chester City? Jonesy702 (talk) 19:20, 15 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment - he may well be a professional footballer, and he may even be registered at a club in a fully professional league, but as I know you're aware, the bar set by WP:BIO is that the player must have made an appearance in a fully professional league, i.e. in England, Football League Two and above. If he makes such an appearance, then the page can be undeleted by an admin, but we should not crystal ball. robwingfield «T•C» 00:39, 16 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • "I'm sure he will be making an appearance for them soon", yes WP:CRYSTAL much? :) пﮟოьεԻ 57 23:04, 17 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • Oh you must be right - I am looking into a crystal ball, there is no way he will ever play for Chester City because he is not first choice goalkeeper. How silly am I! Is he even a footballer? Jonesy702 (talk) 16:38, 19 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - if he gets on the pitch for Chester, even as a sub, he gets a page. Until then he fails WP:BIO. BlueValour (talk) 20:37, 18 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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