Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Peter Gillman

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The result was keep. Can be renamed if desired. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 23:27, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Peter Gillman[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG not finding any in-depth coverage of him. Theroadislong (talk) 15:58, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Theroadislong (talk) 15:58, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 16:03, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 16:03, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep He meets WP:NAUTHOR as the author of quite a few important books about mountaineering history, especially the Eiger and Mount Everest. His biography of George Mallory, reviewed by Publisher's Weekly, was made into a documentary film by the National Geographic Society. The article needs work, but he is a notable author. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 17:52, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Here's a review of the film based on one of his books. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 17:57, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Here is a review by Publisher's Weekly of his biography of David Bowie. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 18:18, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging DGG, who removed the PROD for this article back in 2011 and seems to already be familiar with this matter. Personally, I vote Weak keep, as the subject seems to be just notable enough under WP:AUTHOR. To add marginally to what Cullen328 noted, Gillman's work on Bowie has been cited by The Times and The Telegraph as well. Comment for those performing WP:BEFORE: this Peter Gillman not to be confused with Peter Gilman (single 'l'), who was also an author. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 23:52, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

As far as cleanup of the article itself goes, I think the only major cleanup this article needs is to be made less reliant on primary sources as opposed to a typical WP:TNT situation with undisclosed autobiographies. Furthermore, the subject seems to be WP:HERE. It's true that they have been prompted at least twice – once on their talk page and once on the Teahouse – to add a COI disclosure to their page, and they really need to read and abide by Wikipedia:Verifiability, but their editing history to me is unmistakably one of wanting to contribute what they know to the project, not of using it as a means of promotion. Therefore, I believe with proper guidance, they could chip in as well. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 23:52, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Here's a question for more experienced editors: would it be reasonable to move this article to Peter and Leni Gillman? Based on the sources Cullen and I are using, Leni seems almost precisely as notable as Peter and for the exact same reasons, and it feels like creating a separate article for Leni would be a borderline WP:REDUNDANTFORK given what sources we have about them. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 23:52, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That is certainly a possibility, TheTechnician27, since his wife has been his co-author for many years. But my subjective opinion is that his most important book was "Eiger Direct: The Epic Battle on the North Face" which he co-authored with famed mountaineer Dougal Haston in 1966. That book has been issued with title variations in different countries. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 00:57, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. He has written significant books, and that's wenough to meet WP:AUTHOR. There does not seem to be any promotionalism in hte present version of the article. I think it would beenough to have a redirect for Leni, using the same argument as Cullen328-- she is not acoauthoro f his most important book. DGG ( talk ) 05:20, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@DGG: Went ahead and made the redirect at Leni Gillman. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 13:55, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, but rename to Peter and Leni Gillman, as they appear to generally write as a team. pburka (talk) 22:47, 7 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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