Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Peter Doell

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The result was no consensus. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 08:33, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Peter Doell[edit]

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Failed AfC twice before the author moved it unilaterally to mainspace. Last AfC review said: Notability still not shown. All the sources are either WP:ROUTINE coverage or passing mentions. We have two interview articles that are primary. We need to see secondary coverage of the subject. If he is indeed a notable engineer, then there should at least be one or two news articles about him. These objections still stand. Found lots of PR for him while doing WP:BEFORE, but no reliable sources. Mottezen (talk) 02:12, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. Mottezen (talk) 02:12, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. Mottezen (talk) 02:12, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Engineering-related deletion discussions. Mottezen (talk) 02:12, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. Mottezen (talk) 02:12, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of New York-related deletion discussions. Mottezen (talk) 02:12, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. I'm honestly tired of these ridiculous votes. Take a look at the credits. Mastering engineers DO NOT GET THE PRESS ARTISTS DO. These are the people behind the cameras and mastering engineers even more so. To give you an idea, look up the pages for Bob Katz, Bob Ludwig and Bernie Grundman, undisputed mastering LEGENDS. They have even less citations. Want to go ahead and delete those too?

On top of that, mastering engineers only started getting Grammys after 2012, when the Academy revised the eligibility guidelines regarding who gets a statuette. Ray Charles' "Genius Loves Company" album won the 2004 Grammy Award for Album of the Year and Best Pop Vocal Album. That would have earned Peter Doell two Grammy statuettes under the current guidelines.

Your time will be better spent on articles created by SPAs, connected contributors or about people without "notability" (which is judged by non-notable anonymous internet dudes and makes the whole situation an unfortunate irony).

TanookiKoopa (talk) 21:36, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, Wikipedia does not exist to right great wrongs, and the simple fact of the matter is that this person does not meet GNG, with the sources cited being a mix of passing mentions and interviews, neither of which contribute to notability. Devonian Wombat (talk) 01:49, 2 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 02:27, 8 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Peter keeps a low profile. WP:INTERVIEWS which provide some independent context (typically in the introduction) can be used as evidence of notability. ~Kvng (talk) 13:30, 8 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 05:50, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.