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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Sources from HistoricalAccountings seem to respond to the calls from those supporting deletion to identify sufficient reliable coverage to cross the notability threshold. Go Phightins! 17:28, 10 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Peppi Borza[edit]

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Unfortunately notability is not inherited, having famous friends does not make one notable. Not enough in-depth coverage about them to meet WP:GNG, and does not meet either WP:ENTERTAINER or WP:NACTOR. Onel5969 TT me 15:38, 22 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. Onel5969 TT me 15:38, 22 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. CommanderWaterford (talk) 16:23, 22 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Dance-related deletion discussions. CommanderWaterford (talk) 16:23, 22 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - His friendship with Dusty Springfield is interesting but while notability isn't inherited, I'd argue he has lots of notable and impressive credits by himself. Appeared twice on "The Ed Sullivan Show". Has Broadway credit - Appeared on Broadway in the original cast recording of "Evita"! Roles in several major notable movies and productions - "Man of La Mancha", "Intimate Games", "Peter Pan", "The Pirates of Penzance", "Doctor Who - The Trial of a Time Lord" (First Vervoid!), "Follies". These may not have been lead roles, but it all adds up to WP:GNG at the very least, and should be enough for other requirements too, and the "Doctor Who" stuff plus Broadway/musicals almost definitely gives him some cult status from those respective fandoms too. -- HistoricalAccountings (talk) 00:28, 25 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It doesn't look like acting was his main thing, just one element of his career. According to his bio, he was a dancer, entertainer, songwriter, composer, actor, and circus performer. -- HistoricalAccountings (talk) 07:58, 7 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 21:39, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Keep Based on WP:Basic #2. Was notable at the time as multiple minor coverage shows. Added further in line refs. Davidstewartharvey (talk) 23:01, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Keep As per David fullfills WP:BASIC. Cuoxo (talk) 19:02, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Blocked for UPE, sockpuppetry. MER-C 18:10, 6 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Easy pass of WP:ENTERTAINER as he was attracting attention even in his teenage years. Andrew🐉(talk) 20:08, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom- notability is not inherited. There are no substantive references (just one book reference that has been invoked throughout the article) nor which I could find that discuss the subject in detail. The roles though multiple are not significant and does not add up to notability. Hence does not pass WP:ENTERTAINER or WP:BASIC, and definitely not WP:GNG. --Ashleyyoursmile! 13:34, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
as per WP:Basic If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources may not be sufficient to establish notability.Davidstewartharvey (talk) 16:38, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak delete. No evidence he passes WP:NBIO/WP:NACTOR. Not every minor actor is notable. Still, I'd be willing to reconsider my vote if someone can show me at least two reliable sources that discuss him for a paragraph or more. Anyone up to the challenge? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:40, 6 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Just having a quick look. Someone else will no doubt do a better job. Not sure if any of these are suitable but here's some stuff I found. Will also put these on article's talk page if anyone wants to use them in the article. (If this is all clogging up discussion too much let me know and I can cut it down a bit and link to rest on article's talk page.)
Detailed
These are mostly about him as a child/teenager/young man - but that shouldn't preclude them from being used.
  • Mentioned five times (about diving) in this article which also has photos - [1]
  • Mentioned ten times here in what looks to be a fairly indepth piece about him and his sister - [2]
  • Him and his family/sister/family business discussed here - [3]
  • More about him, his sister, father (could they/the family have their own article(s) too?[4]
    • And here with photo (re tumbling act when children) [5]
  • Piece about him and sister as "circus kids" - [6]
  • And again in these ones - [7],[8], [9], [10], [11], [12], [13], [14], [15], [16],
Later life/career is mostly mentions and credits but all of these and above should give him GNG, BASIC, ENTERTAINER, not so sure about NACTOR but maybe.
Stage/music/movie credits and listings (some of these might already be in article)
Stage
BroadwayWorld[17]
IBDB[18]
Playbill[19]
Theatricalia[20]
Music
AllMusic Listing[21]
Movies/Television
BFI[22]
IMDB[23]
CinemaOne[24]
The Pirates Of Penzance qsulis.org.uk [25]
TV Guide [26]
More on Turner Classic Movies (TCM) - couldn't access, someone else can check?
Mentions
(some could help with GNG/BASIC - As per WP:Basic If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability.)
  • Being in a musical "Boy Friend"[27][28]
  • Only mentioned in Playbill Evita Anniversary Article[29] but shows still being mentioned in 2020.
  • Additional mentions (Books/Journals) - Billboard - 12 Nov 1949[30], British Musical Theatre[31], British Movie Entertainments on Vhs and DVD: A Classic Movie[32], Screen Actor, Volumes 4-6[33], Doctor Who Episode Guide [34], several on Dusty Springfield[35], there's loads more - haven't explored these indepth
  • BBC mentions - Dusty[36], Doctor Who (First Vervoid)[37]
  • New York Times - Evita cast[38]
  • Radio Times - Doctor Who [39]
  • GettyImages Dusty[40] "The Defective Detector"[41][42]

References

  1. ^ "21 Jul 1961, 35 - The Tampa Tribune at Newspapers.com". Newspapers.com. Retrieved 2021-03-06.
  2. ^ "26 Oct 1950, 11 - The Shreveport Journal at Newspapers.com". Newspapers.com. Retrieved 2021-03-06.
  3. ^ "26 Oct 1950, 11 - The Shreveport Journal at Newspapers.com". Newspapers.com. Retrieved 2021-03-06.
  4. ^ "10 Feb 1948, 28 - Courier-Post at Newspapers.com". Newspapers.com. Retrieved 2021-03-06.
  5. ^ "23 Aug 1945, Page 20 - Star Tribune at Newspapers.com". Newspapers.com. Retrieved 2021-03-06.
  6. ^ "29 Aug 1945, 6 - The Kansas City Times at Newspapers.com". Newspapers.com. Retrieved 2021-03-06.
  7. ^ "12 Apr 1946, Page 40 - The Akron Beacon Journal at Newspapers.com". Newspapers.com. Retrieved 2021-03-06.
  8. ^ "19 Nov 1948, 8 - The Baltimore Sun at Newspapers.com". Newspapers.com. Retrieved 2021-03-06.
  9. ^ "17 Apr 1951, 2 - The Tampa Times at Newspapers.com". Newspapers.com. Retrieved 2021-03-06.
  10. ^ "1 Nov 1949, 11 - The Tribune at Newspapers.com". Newspapers.com. Retrieved 2021-03-06.
  11. ^ "2 Aug 1945, Page 28 - The Pittsburgh Press at Newspapers.com". Newspapers.com. Retrieved 2021-03-06.
  12. ^ "2 Mar 1948, Page 14 - The Akron Beacon Journal at Newspapers.com". Newspapers.com. Retrieved 2021-03-06.
  13. ^ "13 May 1948, 7 - The Austin American at Newspapers.com". Newspapers.com. Retrieved 2021-03-06.
  14. ^ "23 Jan 1948, 24 - The Times Dispatch at Newspapers.com". Newspapers.com. Retrieved 2021-03-06.
  15. ^ "28 Jan 1948, 8 - The Morning News at Newspapers.com". Newspapers.com. Retrieved 2021-03-06.
  16. ^ "16 Feb 1948, 12 - Courier-Post at Newspapers.com". Newspapers.com. Retrieved 2021-03-06.
  17. ^ "Peppi Borza Theatre Credits, News, Bio and Photos". www.broadwayworld.com. Retrieved 2021-03-06.
  18. ^ "Peppi Borza – Broadway Cast & Staff | IBDB". www.ibdb.com. Retrieved 2021-03-06.
  19. ^ "Peppi Borza". Playbill. Retrieved 2021-03-06.
  20. ^ "Production of Man of La Mancha | Theatricalia". theatricalia.com. Retrieved 2021-03-06.
  21. ^ "Peppi Borza | Credits". AllMusic. Retrieved 2021-03-06.
  22. ^ "Peppi Borza". BFI. Retrieved 2021-03-06.
  23. ^ "Peppi Borza". IMDb. Retrieved 2021-03-06.
  24. ^ "Peppi Borza - Movies". CinemaOne. Retrieved 2021-03-06.
  25. ^ "The Pirates Of Penzance Film". www.qsulis.org.uk. Retrieved 2021-03-06.
  26. ^ "The Pirates of Penzance". TVGuide.com. Retrieved 2021-03-06.
  27. ^ "19 Feb 1959, 7 - Tampa Bay Times at Newspapers.com". Newspapers.com. Retrieved 2021-03-06.
  28. ^ "19 Feb 1959, 11 - Tampa Bay Times at Newspapers.com". Newspapers.com. Retrieved 2021-03-06.
  29. ^ Franklin, Marc J. (September 25, 2020). "Celebrate More Than 40 Years of Broadway's Evita". Playbill. Retrieved 2021-03-06.
  30. ^ Inc, Nielsen Business Media (1949-11-12). Billboard. Nielsen Business Media, Inc. {{cite book}}: |last= has generic name (help)
  31. ^ Gänzl, Kurt (1986). British Musical Theatre. Oxford University Press. ISBN 978-0-19-520509-1.
  32. ^ Reid, John Howard (November 2010). British Movie Entertainments on Vhs and DVD: A Classic Movie Fan's Guide. Lulu.com. ISBN 978-0-557-58275-4.
  33. ^ Screen Actor. Screen Actors' Guild. 1962.
  34. ^ Campbell, Mark (2011-11-11). Doctor Who The Episode Guide. Oldcastle Books. ISBN 978-1-84243-660-8.
  35. ^ Randall, Annie J. (2008-11-17). Dusty!: Queen of the Postmods. Oxford University Press. ISBN 978-0-19-971630-2.
  36. ^ "BBC - Radio 2 - 60s Season". www.bbc.co.uk. Retrieved 2021-03-06.
  37. ^ "BBC - Doctor Who Classic Series Episode Guide - Cast and crew". www.bbc.co.uk. Retrieved 2021-03-06.
  38. ^ Kerr, Walter (1979-09-26). "Stage: 'Evita,' a Musical Perón (Published 1979)". The New York Times. ISSN 0362-4331. Retrieved 2021-03-06.
  39. ^ "The Trial of a Time Lord ★". Radio Times. Retrieved 2021-03-06.
  40. ^ "Dusty Springfield greets actor Peppi Borza at London Airport. |..." Getty Images. Retrieved 2021-03-06.
  41. ^ "S WORLD - "The Defective Defector" - Airdate September 29, 1971..." Getty Images. Retrieved 2021-03-06.
  42. ^ "S WORLD - "The Defective Defector" - Airdate September 29, 1971..." Getty Images. Retrieved 2021-03-06.
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