Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pepe Abad

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The result was no consensus. Spartaz ^Humbug! 00:05, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Pepe Abad[edit]

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Non-notable individual failing WP:ANYBIO, WP:CREATIVE, and WP:GNG.

NJOURNALIST:

"The person is regarded as an important figure or is widely cited by peers or successors." -- no evidence of this in RS
"The person is known for originating a significant new concept, theory, or technique." -- no evidence
"The person has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work. In addition, such work must have been the primary subject of an independent and notable work (for example, a book, film, or television series, but usually not a single episode of a television series) or of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews." -- not the case
"The person's work (or works) has: (a) become a significant monument, (b) been a substantial part of a significant exhibition, (c) won significant critical attention, or (d) been represented within the permanent collections of several notable galleries or museums." -- not the case

ANYBIO:

"The person has received a well-known and significant award or honor, or has been nominated for such an award several times." -- no evidence of this
"The person has made a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in a specific field." (note: "Generally, a person who is "part of the enduring historical record" will have been written about, in depth, independently in multiple history books on that field, by historians.") -- this is not the case here
"The person has an entry in the Dictionary of National Biography or similar publication." -- not evident

GNG:

" significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list."

"Significant coverage" addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content. Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material. -- no evidence of this in reliable sources that is above routine coverage
""Reliable" means that sources need editorial integrity to allow verifiable evaluation of notability, per the reliable source guideline. Sources may encompass published works in all forms and media, and in any language. Availability of secondary sources covering the subject is a good test for notability." -- reliable sources not exactly available nor plentiful and don't cover him as an individual

TheSandDoctor ^Talk 07:33, 18 October 2020 (UTC); expanded rationale 04:16, 19 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. TheSandDoctor ^Talk 07:33, 18 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. TheSandDoctor ^Talk 07:33, 18 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Chile-related deletion discussions. TheSandDoctor ^Talk 07:33, 18 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Notable TV presenter in Chile. In Alberto Fuguet's novel Mala onda, Abad is described as the "much known and cherished Televisión Nacional de Chile voice"[1] Sergio Campos writes in another book (a nonfiction one) that Abad premiered the Beatles' first single in Chile.[2] There is a Unidad Popular-era magazine which contains an interview with Abad. [3] Patricio Bañados describes Abad in his book El mirador.[4] There are several other Google Books results which contain either mentions or in-depth reports/interviews with/about Abad. --Kuatrero (talk) 03:49, 19 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
1. mala onda appears to be a fiction book based on the description? For some reason, I cannot preview inside of it to verify this.
2. Sergio -- mentioning that he premiered a song in a country, regardless of artist fame, seems like rather routine coverage given that that is conceivably something a television journalist would do by happening to having it air on their show. It does not convey any notability and is trivial. Was there anything else covered in there?
3. Unidad -- interviews do not contribute towards notability as they are considered primary sources
4. Patricio -- could you please provide a page reference for this?
Mentions are generally considered trivial and more detail is needed about the individual themselves. Interviews do nothing for notability since they are considered primary sources. --TheSandDoctor ^Talk 04:14, 19 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Unfortunately I have no time for searching other detailed eventual references for this article. As it occurs often with Latin American sources, they are mostly not digitized and it is troublesome to find books and other published materials that (could) mention Abad, contrary to what would have happened had Abad been a US journalist. I am fairly sure there must be sources out there. And also note I am only talking about books and printed materials: a simple Google Search provides several articles related to this person which prove they pass GNG. And there are at least three other references in Google Books which refer to Abad's work both in radio and TV in the 1960s and 1970s. Also, Chile's newspaper of record El Mercurio digitally compiles several news articles that relate to Abad [5] There is a University of Chile thesis that refers to Abad hosting Reporter Esso in 1964 and details some more of his career [6] Kind regards. --Kuatrero (talk) 22:39, 19 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete articles follow us having good, indepth, quality sources, not the assertion that such "must exist". We live be verifiability, which means we only have articles that give adequate sourcing.John Pack Lambert (talk) 12:08, 20 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I provided several sources which prove, at least, Abad was relevant in the context of Chilean news media back in the 60s-early 80s. That should be enough to keep it. --Kuatrero (talk) 00:29, 24 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

For instance, El Mercurio 's "Una generación en sintonía con la radio" 26 April 2009 article says "muchos chilenos se ponían al tanto de lo que ocurría a través de los diarios y, también, mediante este breve espacio informativo, preparado por la United Press International, que originalmente fue transmitido por radio Agricultura, luego por la Cooperativa Vitalicia y finalmente por Minería, cuando la inconfundible voz de Pepe Abad terminó por convertirlo en el noticiero más escuchado" (many Chileans would be informed by reading newspapers and also through this brief news programme prepared by the United Press International, originally broadcasted by radio Agricultura, later by Cooperativa Vitalicia and finally by Minería, when unmistakeable host's voice Pepe Abad converted it [Reporter Esso] into the most listened to news programme). subscription required --Kuatrero (talk) 16:00, 26 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spartaz ^Humbug! 07:41, 27 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Though it is preferable for the article to have sources included in the article, the AfD process is not for cleaning up articles. It is incumbent upon every editor !voting here to do a search per WP:BEFORE to be well informed about the possible notability of a subject. Whether the article is well written, well sourced or not does not make a subject more or less notable. Would we love for every article to be a GA candidate? Sure, but that isn't realistic. --Tsistunagiska (talk) 14:38, 27 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spartaz ^Humbug! 11:01, 5 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.