Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Paulo Massaro

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The result was no consensus. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 16:23, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Paulo Massaro[edit]

Player has not met guidelines provided by WP:ATHLETE having not played in a fully professional league or for a national side and does not appear to be the main subject of multiple articles by reliable sources, so fails on WP:BIO criteria ClubOranje^T 10:24, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football related deletions. ClubOranje^T 10:28, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. —ClubOranje^T 10:29, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom; non-notable. Giant Snowman 11:12, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Not notable, no significant 3rd party coverage, doesn't play for a fully proffessional/national team. A new name 2008 (talk) 11:43, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 20:28, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per the Futpedia reference I added which shows he played in the Copa do Brasil. Jogurney (talk) 12:16, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment with Parana in Campeonato Brasileiro Série B and Rio Branco in Campeonato Brasileiro Série C (neither of which is listed at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Football/Fully_professional_leagues), is that not akin to a Blue Square English player participating in a FA Cup match? ie, not fully professional? and with Copa do Brasil not including the top teams who have qualified for Copa Libertadores it is like competing in a FA cup that doesn't include Man U., Chelsea, Liverpool etc.--ClubOranje^T 23:34, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Earlier discussion has shown that Serie B and Copa do Brasil are fully-pro. I don't recall the source, but some of the Brazilian editors explained that they are. Jogurney (talk) 02:49, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps that is so, but some Cypriot editors have explained how there are 3 fully professional leagues in Cyprus, recently Israeli editors have explained how there are 3 levels in Israel, yet, until they can WP:PROVEIT it counts for nothing here.--ClubOranje^T 07:33, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Campeonato Brasileiro Série C claims it is only for pro clubs - so Série A and B must also be fully pro. The Copa do Brasil appears to be open to all clubs in Brazil (like the FA Cup) so it only helps when pro clubs play each other. Jogurney (talk) 13:34, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed it does, but Campeonato Brasileiro Série C is a Wikipedia source, uncited and inherently unreliable :-) --ClubOranje^T 10:15, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough. I don't read Portuguese, but based on my limited understanding of the CBF regulations for Serie B seem to place sufficient financial and stadia requirements on the participating clubs to rise to a "professional league" status. Perhaps someone who reads Portuguese can clarify or confirm? Jogurney (talk) 11:40, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, Jogurney, you are correct. --Carioca (talk) 18:45, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, as per Jogurney. He played in at least one fully professional league (which is the Série B). --Carioca (talk) 18:45, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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