Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Paul Vunak

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The result was delete. -- Cirt (talk) 15:04, 31 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Paul Vunak[edit]

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Proposed as part of Wikipedia:WikiProject_Martial_arts/Article_Review 19th May 2010, User:Jmcw37 as secretary.
WP:NRVE Wikipedia:WPMA/N "No reliable sources found to verify notability" jmcw (talk) 09:55, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions. —jmcw (talk) 09:55, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I don't see how he meets WP:MANOTE since the system he created was deleted as non-notable in 2007. Aside from the one Black Belt magazine article, the other references appear to either be about his instructor or self-written (non-independent, at least). Papaursa (talk) 17:16, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep well-known, significant martial artist, described by Black Belt (magazine) as "renowned" and the "best-known" in Bruce Lees' JKD system. A quick check of his web site [1] shows three Black Belt covers he's been on, but he's been the subject of a great many articles in it--I don't udnerstand how anyone making an effort to verify his notability could think he's only been in it once. He's published numerous books and videos. This is Dan Inosanto's best known protege and is highly notable on his own. As to the comment that he's not notable since his system was deleted, that's both using WP itself as a measure of notability and identifying him with his art. See his site for how many federal and otehr agencies he's trained to see he's notable outside of his art. JJL (talk) 19:09, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't say he's only been on the cover once, I said the article only gives 1 BB magazine reference. Using his site as a reference for who he's trained doesn't satisfy WP:RS. I've known literally dozens of martial artists who claimed to have trained Navy Seals. I need to see some proof. I mentioned his art because I was looking at the article's claims to see what it mentions that would allow him to pass WP:MANOTE. Being Dan Inosanto's student is irrelevant since notability is not inherited. Give me reliable sources that show he meets WP:MANOTE and I'll happily change my vote. Papaursa (talk) 20:10, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete current article. I can perhaps see it as a keeper in future however. What now reads as advertising will need to be edited, with more credible secondary and tertiary sources establishing him as notable a necessity. His mention in the Dan Inosanto article is sourced by an apparently "in house" publication, as well. --Bradeos Graphon Βραδέως Γράφων (talk) 16:29, 27 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Delete Article doesn't show he meets WP:MANOTE with reliable sources.Astudent0 (talk) 15:28, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.