Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Paul A. Hodgson

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The result was no consensus. Stifle (talk) 11:36, 11 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Paul A. Hodgson[edit]

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Fails WP:SOLDIER and WP:GNG, only claim to fame was being roommate and friend of Dwight Eisenhower but WP:NOTINHERITED applies Mztourist (talk) 12:43, 14 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. Mztourist (talk) 12:45, 14 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 13:01, 14 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Kansas-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 13:01, 14 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per WP:IMPACT, his published insights and coverage of Dwight D. Eisenhower are evidence enough of this being a notable individual. However, a review of online sources show a suprising number of entries about him and that would be enough to surpass WP:GNG as well. They need to be added to the article.--Paul McDonald (talk) 13:41, 14 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Examples please. Mztourist (talk) 18:17, 14 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  - Examples: Eisnehower Library letters; National Archives letters; American Heritage My Room Mate… Is Dwight Eisenhower…; Baseball continuum West Point Baseball ; Beetle: The Life of General Walter Bedell Smith book source; Eisenhower: A Soldier's Life Book; Daily Independent Journal June 15, 1955; Just some examples. You could always click the "news" link above and steps recommended in WP:BEFORE as well. It wasn't hard to find a bundle.--Paul McDonald (talk) 19:39, 14 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    - I don't regard any of those as giving substantive "insights and coverage " that reach the level of WP:IMPACT. Mztourist (talk) 05:18, 15 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      - The first link alone is the metadata on a stack of some 200 pages of research. We can disagree, but ultimately it is neither your decision nor mine.--Paul McDonald (talk) 20:16, 15 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete independent coverage is lacking (I checked the linked sources, which are mostly passing mentions), notability is not inherited from a minor association with Eisenhower. (t · c) buidhe 09:36, 15 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete the sources are a passing mention in the West Point almanac, one article that mentions him rooming with Ike, and his own papers. Doesn't meet either SOLDIER or the GNG. Non-notable colonel. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:18, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of American football-related deletion discussions. Paul McDonald (talk) 14:51, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I realise that he was only a colonel, but enough material to already create a reasonable article, and there are multiple additional minor claims to fame, such as his friendship with Eisenhower, his membership of the famous class of 1915, which has its own article, and of the 1914 championship football team, which is also famous enough to have its own article. Note the navbox at the bottom! That national championship football team includes Omar Bradley (five stars), James Van Fleet (four stars), William Hoge (four stars) and Vernon Pritchard (two stars). Others are notable as gridiron players, including Alex Weyand (an Olympian), Robert Neyland and Louis A. Merrilat. Notability is not inherited from colleagues, but being surrounded by famous people guarantees lots of mentions - enough to satisfy WP:GNG. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 23:20, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 11:53, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz ^talk 15:36, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, Not covered by independent reliable sources. Alex-h (talk) 08:24, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment--I've had some disagreement above with an editor about the significance of the sources, but this is the first comment to question the independence and reliability of them. The United States National Archives and several book references are neither independent nor reliable source?--Paul McDonald (talk) 15:20, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Short of sourcing necessary for a GNG pass. The Eisenhower Library link being 404 doesn't help. Carrite (talk) 02:50, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Dead links are editing issues, not deletion issues. --Paul McDonald (talk) 13:52, 8 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. In addition to the sources previously noted, a quick search of Newspapers.com turned up obit part 1/obit part 2, this,this, and this. The totality shows a WP:GNG pass with significant coverage in multiple, reliable sources. Cbl62 (talk) 05:43, 10 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Almost all of those obits in minor newspapers include in the headline "Ike's roommate" or "Ike's classmate", showing that he was not notable himself, merely for his association with Eisenhower. Mztourist (talk) 07:35, 10 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That's simply not true. This is a feature story about Hodgson in a major metropolitan daily that dates from a time before Eisenhower was even famous. This is from The San Francisco Examiner, hardly a "minor newspaper". And this is an in-depth, two-page obituary that goes into significant depth about Hodgson's life and accomplishments. Cbl62 (talk) 13:42, 10 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I am convinced by Paulmcdonald's and Cbl62's sources that the subject meets GNG. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs)}~ 19:46, 10 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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