Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Patterson Creek Road

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. Many of the keep arguments are not based on Wikipedia policy, whereas the delete arguments are. Not all local routes are notable, in fact most of them are not. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:22, 1 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Patterson Creek Road[edit]

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Article about a non-notable county route. No real content and seemingly little chance there ever will be. Brian Powell (talk) 09:19, 15 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Racepacket (talk) 12:09, 15 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of West Virginia-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 15:44, 15 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 15:45, 15 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - This is an important road in the panhandle. This is the only paved road to most of the communities mentioned in the article. --Oakshade (talk) 16:44, 15 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- There are thousands of other places where there is just one paved road to access them. That doesn't justify articles for them all, especially if they have no history or backstory on the road. Brian Powell (talk) 16:59, 15 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –Juliancolton | ^Talk 02:26, 23 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Article makes no assertion of notability. Were this a person it would be deleted under CSD A7. As it stands county roads in the U.S. are presumed non-notable unless proven otherwise, so there you go. —Scott5114 ↗ [EXACT CHANGE ONLY] 02:31, 23 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete — no assertion of notability. Big Bay, Michigan is only served by one paved road, County Road 550, which doesn't make CR 550 notable. Imzadi1979 (talk) 02:33, 23 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, but H-58 (Michigan_county_highway) is notable, and there's a List of Michigan County-Designated Highways which includes references to unsigned dirt roads that happen to have a number but don't even have any signs. Edward Vielmetti (talk) 05:17, 23 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That is one road in a state-wide, MDOT-assigned numbering system. The other roads that aren't as notable are in the complete list. As for H-58, how many county roads are the subject of Congressional action so that the National Park Service can pay the county to rebuild the roadway? The fact remains though, H-58 demonstrates notability, this article does not. Imzadi1979 (talk) 05:22, 23 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - From looking at this road on Google Maps, the road is several miles long and links several communities. Just because it is a county road does not automatically qualify it for deletion. Had this been a state highway, the article would not even be here. ---Dough4872 02:36, 23 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Your Google maps link doesn't show that it serves the towns listed in the article. Imzadi1979 (talk) 06:44, 23 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - Scroll farther down, they're there. ---Dough4872 18:36, 23 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    - Had this been a state highway, it wouldn't have been here—because the selection for inclusion in a statewide numbered system of highways with state highway funding makes it notable. Being a state highway is pretty damn special. (See User:Scott5114/Highway notability FAQ for more.) Were this road notable, WVDOH would have likely placed it in the state highway system. —Scott5114↗ [EXACT CHANGE ONLY] 03:46, 24 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
      - Jurisdiction of the highway should not always be the line for notability. In New Jersey, for example, some county routes like County Route 537 are more important than some state highways such as New Jersey Route 167. ---Dough 48 72 04:57, 24 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
        That is not the argument I am making. I'm saying that state highways are assumed notable because of the difficulty for inclusion in that system (a doctrine which has precedent in every state highway AFD conducted for the past five years) while county highways must go the extra mile to provide reasons for notability. This road does not meet that bar. —Scott5114 ↗ [EXACT CHANGE ONLY] 05:09, 24 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
        Ideally, it would be nice to merge this road into a list of county routes, as this is known as CR 5 in Grant County and CR 11 in Mineral County. However, no CR lists exist for either county. Perhaps we could start a list for each county, moving the content of this article there. This article then can serve as a disambiguation page between the two CR designations. ---Dough 48 72 17:03, 24 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Merge I know project guidelines are just that guidelines, not binding policy. However, the U.S. Roads Wikiprojroject's Notability guidelines states as a general rule, county routes should either be a list or redirect to something else, unless they are overwhelmingly notable. I don't see any reason why this couldn't re-direct to either the creek or the town of the same name, with a one-line mention of this road in that article (essentially a content merge as there is only one line of prose anyways). I'd make a more specific recommendation but most of the roads articles for this area are so over-categorized it makes searching for a suitable highway redirect difficult. Dave (talk) 02:58, 23 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Important and significant road that meets notability guidelines. ChildofMidnight (talk) 06:11, 23 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Which notability guideline did you use to make that determination? Imzadi1979 (talk) 06:44, 23 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Non-notable county route in an incredibly rural area. – T M F 15:49, 23 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Merge if possible, Delete if not. This is the sort of road that should ideally be merged into a list of county roads, but there are no such lists for this part of West Virginia yet. As it stands, though, it isn't notable enough for its own article. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 20:07, 24 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Merge or delete, per Dave. --FormerIP (talk) 16:57, 1 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.