Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Patrick J. Lavelle

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The result was Delete. Hut 8.5 20:54, 13 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Patrick J. Lavelle[edit]

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Non notable political consultant. I've restored the fullest version from this history, to display what material there is for a fair judgment here. Unfortunately, all of it amounts to mere notices. I was unable to find anything more DGG ( talk ) 07:28, 23 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ontario-related deletion discussions. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 08:40, 23 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. The positions that Lavelle held may be unfamiliar to some editors. As Agent General, he represented Ontario's interests in France. He was not an ambassador (since only sovereign states exchange ambassadors), but the position is significant. As deputy minister at the Ministry of Industry, Trade and Technology, he was the senior professional employee there, reporting to an elected minister. He is listed in the 2001 edition of Who's Who in Canadian Business, but that directory may not be sufficiently selective to count for notability. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 09:05, 23 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment, continued. I didn't check all the references, but the ones I checked apart from Who's Who in Canadian Business did not appear to be in-depth. For living Canadians whose notability is in question, it is always worhwhile to check The Canadian Who's Who, but he does not appear to be listed in the current edition. I cannot tell whether he was listed in a previous edition. Some Canadians are listed in directories published by Marquis Who's Who, but I do not have access to the Marquis Who's Who database, and I recognize that some editors think Marquis is not a reliable source. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 09:22, 23 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Many of the sources indicating his work in the Automotive (and a handful of specific cases like Bombardier) were documented in older physical sources. I've managed to find some of these now and temporarily have scanned and stored them here. I believe his posts and influence on at least the Automotive front were significant. Please advise. Yoniket 10:15, 23 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 09:22, 23 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral comment @Eastmain: and @Yoniket:, please fix your WP:SIGs; I had to repair them because they were turning the entire daily AfD log into bold Times New Roman. Thanks. Nate • (chatter) 18:06, 23 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Sources are reliable. NANExcella (talk) 11:52, 24 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Question Which if any of the various Canadian who's who's are reliable? In general we do not accept inclusion in any WW as indicating notability for WP purposes.

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: As there has been significant discussion with limited !votes yet concluded, a relist seems in order
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Nosebagbear (talk) 22:33, 29 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - zero significant coverage for this run of gthe mil business person. Bearian (talk) 01:02, 3 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Given only 3 clear !votes, which are split after significant discussion, another relist still seems warranted
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Nosebagbear (talk) 15:18, 5 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete no convincing coverage that would justify notability. Kraose (talk) 07:21, 6 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails. AntiNom (talk) 13:28, 6 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Have these voters reviewed the scanned work listed in my URL? Patrick Lavelle had significant impact as the EDC Chairman, and specifically with Bombardier, Nortel, and APMA in Canada. Again, on a relative basis I welcome input compared to other Canadian businessmen of notoriety. My take is it would justify comparably. Please see my earlier comment for some of the physical sources. Thanks for all of the conversation & effort btw.YoNiket (talk) 00:27, 8 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, without prejudice against recreation in the future if somebody can do better than this. Nothing stated here is "inherently" notable enough to exempt him from having to be properly referenced, but the sources aren't getting him over WP:GNG — except for the Who's Who in Canadian Business blurb, which is not enough by itself, every other source here is just a glancing namecheck of his existence in a source that is not about him, such as the primary source text of a court document (which is not support for notability) or content which quotes him as the speaker in coverage of a subject other than himself (which is not support for notability either). This is not how you source a person as notable enough for a Wikipedia article: he needs to be the subject of coverage, not the creator of or a soundbite-giver in coverage of other subjects, to clear GNG. Bearcat (talk) 15:43, 13 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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