Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Owen Geleijn

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The result was delete. Sandstein 19:10, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

Owen Geleijn

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Fails WP:NCYC. Only raced at junior level so far. Will next year be part of Team Jumbo–Visma Academy, a development team for Team Jumbo–Visma, which is unlikely to participate then in the races which qualify under WP:NCYC either. Fram (talk) 11:26, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Cycling-related deletion discussions. Fram (talk) 11:26, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

Also nominated for the same reasons are:

• Gijs Leemreize
• Rick Pluimers
• Hidde van Veenendaal

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Netherlands-related deletion discussions. Fram (talk) 11:26, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 13:08, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

I'm the creator of those pages. I'll be honest I never read that WP:NCYC section, I was not aware of that, and I do find that understandable and logical. However, the amount of pages which fail the WP:NCYC section is just massive. One random example I came across after 3 minutes of search is Mattia Viel. My suggestion is that the WP:NCYC list is updated, mainly to include that if a rider rides for a WT/PCT(/CT) Team, then that should be considered notable. Like Mattia Viel, he rides for PCT and has done many HC races, should his page be deleted? Also most of the pages I created, like Hidde, that guy will most definitely win big races in the future. But I do understand, recognise and respect that these pages fail WP:NCYC (talk) 14:50, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

• Perhaps the NCYC rules are too strict. Even so, there still is a difference between e.g. Viel, who rides for a procontinental team, and the above three, who will ride for a continental team. Compared to other sports, WorldTour is first division (about 20 teams), Procontinental is second division (25 teams), and Continental is "lower divisions" (many, many teams). Most cyclists never make it out of the Continental circuit, no matter how talented they may be. Fram (talk) 15:12, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

I think this is true, and WP:NCYC should be more detailed as to the rider's success, like Hidde van Veenendaal should probably not be deleted, as he is already quite successful, while some others have little to no notable results. Pro Continental riders, should definitely meet the guidelines, so should riders who compete in HC/WT events, so we should probably adjust the criteria.--Seacactus 13 (talk) 20:44, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

• Delete all none of these cyclist are notable.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:22, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

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