Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ott (record producer)

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The result was Withdrawn and once again I have to scream at people to get an article fixed. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Otters want attention)} 19:26, 14 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ott (record producer)[edit]

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Deprodded with addition of "sources" which amount to a primary source and Discogs. No notability asserted; no notability inherited from working with other artists. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Otters want attention)} 01:46, 9 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. He has released two albums on Twisted Records, which is probably of sufficient importance to indicate notability despite the state of the article, and has received coverage from The Wire, but I couldn't find much more.--Michig (talk) 08:28, 9 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

His own vanity label with four other blue linked artists is not an important label for WP:MUSIC. duffbeerforme (talk) 07:52, 10 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This is not some piddling vanity label.--Michig (talk) 08:28, 10 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Never called it piddling. Still a vanity label with a small stable. duffbeerforme (talk) 08:47, 10 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It isn't a vanity label any more than, say, Creation Records or SST Records, i.e. not at all. --Michig (talk) 09:18, 10 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Correct. Twisted Records (UK) does not belong to Ott; it was founded by Simon Posford in 1996. All of the other artists on its roster are notable per WP, and Sony Red handles US distribution. Calling this "vanity" is simply aspersion. --Middle 8 (talk) 03:08, 12 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. — • Gene93k (talk) 19:56, 9 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per User:Michig--two albums on a noted indie label puts him over the bar. Meelar (talk) 23:44, 9 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: FWIW, it's three. Latest is Mir in 2011. --Middle 8 (talk) 03:16, 12 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per User:Meelar, i.e. WP:BAND #5. I'd like to see a larger roster (five are listed), but I agree that the label is important given its longevity and the fact that the other artists on its roster are notable. --Middle 8 (talk) 03:08, 12 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: And it meets WP:N. See comment below, under TenPound's request for source (and at bottom of diff). --Middle 8 (talk) 11:58, 14 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per User:Meelar also consider he has engineered for a significant list of artists (Eno, James, Embrace, Natascha Atlas, Killing Joke, Eat Static...) and performed at major festivals (Glastonbury and - just a few days ago - the opening act for Glade) APB-CMX (talk) 19:10, 12 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Let me add: Ott produced the single Destiny Calling by James. The song reached 17 in the UK singles chart, which could qualify him for WP:BAND #2 in addition to #5 (Eno was another producer working with James at the time. It's all in Discogs.) APB-CMX (talk) 13:15, 13 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

@APB-CMX: But does WP:BAND #2 apply to producers? --Middle 8 (talk) 11:51, 14 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Good question, and sorry I don't know the answer. However, I did discover that Ott also produced the hit single All You Good Good People by Embrace, that went to number 8 in the UK singles charts. This is mentioned in this article in Sound on Sound magazine which confirms his collaboration with Brian Eno. In short, he was doing engineering and production work with some big names before making his own albums on the Twisted label. This might be worth adding to the article. APB-CMX (talk) 18:08, 14 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sources. Where are they? Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Otters want attention)} 22:03, 12 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Here are the festivals: Glastonbury lineup for 2007, Glade 2011. The engineering stuff is also out there, you just got to look for it APB-CMX (talk) 23:34, 12 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

@APB-CMX -- I'm not having any luck; can you help with this? cheers, Middle 8 (talk) 11:51, 14 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Trivial and promotional. Doesn't cut it. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Otters want attention)} 01:03, 13 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Agree that Glastonbury won't work for notability, but the source for Glade is fine: the publication is an independent, 3rd party source, and the author is a staff writer, so it's not promotional. Here's a diff showing some more sources I added, including two meeting WP:N. (See comment below for details.) regards, Middle 8 (talk) 11:51, 14 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment With two sufficient V RS's that other editors have posted and which I added to the article, it now passes WP:N per se (in addition to WP:BAND).

From The Wire, an album review via Google books. Although Google doesn't display much of the review, it's obviously one of several that are too long to be nontrivial.
from Virtual Festivals, two brief but nontrivial notes about a show: "Ott sets the tone"; "perfect opening act";[1] and "Psy-dub maestro OTT (10/10) kick starts proceedings."[2] cheers, Middle 8 (talk) 11:51, 14 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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