Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Oswell Borradaile

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The result was keep. Daniel (talk) 13:35, 4 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oswell Borradaile[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG, no coverage found. Störm (talk) 19:46, 25 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 19:48, 25 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Cricket-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 19:48, 25 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 19:48, 25 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. I really don't think technically passing N:CRIC is OK when GNG is so comprehensively failed. "O. Borradaile" (how he would have been identified) brings up two references in The Times, neither of which seem relevant and indeed one of which is from well before he was born. The British Newspaper Archive brings up some references with the initial amid the many false positives, but they seem to be very much WP: MILL, and unlike with players from, say, 30 years ago - the oft-described "black hole" - the BNA has enough papers from this period, including a specialist cricket one, to be representative. His full name brings up one false-positive reference on the BNA. RobinCarmody (talk) 20:51, 25 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Strangely, if I put "Borradaile" and "Essex" into the British Newspaper Archive search engine, I come up with more than 2,000 references for the period of his lifetime. Not all will be him, but the majority on the first few pages I checked were. Johnlp (talk) 14:14, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - WP:GNG is irrelevant here, as he passes WP:CRIN, which is the relevant notability guideline, by virtue of having played in a first class match. It really doesn't make the slightest difference how comprehensively he fails GNG. In any case, to be sure he fails GNG for a player active in the 19th century you would have to do proper archival research in hard copy, rather than online, and the BNA is notoriously bad at having proper references, as the machine reading of text has failed in a large number of places. DevaCat1 (talk) 16:29, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of Essex County Cricket Club players Has played 1 FC match, but no coverage. Using similar precedent to that used by WP:FOOTY when a player has 1 or a few matches but no coverage, they are deleted/redirected. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:26, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep On review and with the article having been updated, changing my vote to keep due to notability for post cricket career working for Essex CC. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 20:21, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect per Rugbyfan22. The "passes CRIN so GNG is irrelevant" argument is useless, as all articles must pass GNG (well, almost, but this is not one of the rare technicalities). SportingFlyer T·C 19:25, 27 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Rated a significant obituary in Wisden on his death in 1935, perhaps more as an administrator than as a player. He was the secretary of Essex County Cricket Club for 31 years, gained first-class status for them and prevented them from going bankrupt. Played "occasionally" in county cricket, but rated "an outstanding figure in club cricket". If the nominator hasn't looked in Wisden, I think we're entitled to know where they have looked to find no coverage whatsoever on an apparently prominent cricket person. Johnlp (talk) 01:22, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I maybe retired, but have this page on my watchlist. Clearly a notable cricketing individual, especially as an administrator for over 30 years, helping Essex's ascension to first-class status and maintaining the survival of the club. These are the very sort of lazy nominations that have been the norm of late, with "...no coverage found" being the given reason. This obituary establishes where he was educated and his role as an administrator, both with Essex and the MCC during the Great War. This is in addition to what Johnlp has sourced. His association with Essex and role played in their transformation into one of England's leading cricket teams easily passes GNG and CRIN. Anyway, thought I'd add my tuppence worth. StickyWicket (talk) 23:17, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - If his having an article was only based on his playing career, I would have doubts about keeping it, but it seems to me the Wisden obituary would suggest he was notable as an administrator, particularly in the rise of Essex CC. Dunarc (talk) 23:48, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.