Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ospina Coffee Company

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Nominator agreed to close after I rewrote the article. Ikip 01:45, 30 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ospina Coffee Company[edit]

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This page was created by User:Grancafe, and it appears from his user page that he is the owner of the company. I added unreferenced, spam, and notability notices to the article shortly after its creation. The article's creator subsequently expanded it and removed the templates, but did not address any of these issues, and solicited feedback on the article at Talk:Ospina Coffee Company. I described the problems with the article there at about this time yesterday, but the article has not been substantially changed since then. The article has no citations or references to anything but other Wikipedia articles, which, as I wrote on the article's talk page are not reliable sources for citation purposes. It does not give evidence of substantial coverage in independent and reliable sources, and thus appears to fail the notability guidelines for corporations. It is also written in a self-promotional tone, which, combined with the conflict of interest of its creator, make its unsupported assertions yet more dubious. The subject has about 5,600 Google hits, but the first several pages of results are commercial in nature and do not appear to include reliable, independent sources. It appears that some of the company's previous owners were notable for other reasons and have articles, so perhaps the content that is relevant to those people could be merged there, and the rest deleted. Opus 113 (talk) 04:21, 29 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The article was previously deleted as a copyvio at Ospina coffee. If what is stated is true, the company is notable and should have an article (also as the company that several notable Colombian politicians worked in). It should be possible to cite information about the company from sources about these people; however, in a cursory search I have been unable to do so. Any Spanish speakers around? If there are no sources to be found, I would recommend deletion until our verifiability policy can be demonstrably met. —Кузьма^討論 15:06, 29 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
In particular, I can't even figure out the name of the original company (I assume it was not in English). The present-day US company would be a lot less notable without the historical connections and the claim of continuity, which still seem completely unsourced. —Кузьма^討論 17:43, 29 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Privet Kusma, google translate says that Ospina coffee is "de café de Ospino" Ikip 22:03, 29 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Response

(Note: The collapsed section is a copy of Talk:Ospina Coffee Company as it appeared when User:Grancafe posted it here.--Opus 113 (talk) 04:54, 29 December 2009 (UTC))[reply]

Comments copy and pasted from Talk:Ospina Coffee Company
Kindly please make your comments, suggestions and observations to this new article Ospina Coffee Company. Your contributions will be highly appreciated. Thanks. Best, Grancafe Mariano Ospina, V 20:18, 27 December 2009 (UTC) I have a few comments: 1. It appears that you have written an article about a company that you are in some way involved in. This is strongly discouraged by Wikipedia policy. See Wikipedia:Autobiography. 2. I placed a template on the article to the effect that it cited no references or sources. You apparently tried to do so by citing other Wikipedia articles. Unfortunately, Wikipedia articles are not considered reliable sources for citations in other Wikipedia articles. See Wikipedia:Reliable Sources. ("Wikipedia itself, although a tertiary source, should not be used as a source within articles, nor should any mirrors or forks of Wikipedia be accepted as reliable sources for any purpose.") If the articles you cited have reliable sources that they rely on and that are relevant to this article, you can cite those instead, or any other reliable sources as outlined in the policy. Additionally, you can link to the other Wikipedia articles, but this is not a substitute for other reliable sources. See Wikipedia:Linking. 3. It is not clear from the article as it stands that it satisfies Wikipedia's notability policy, under which corporations are generally notable if they have received significant coverage in independent reliable sources. See Wikipedia:Notability and Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies). Please add citations to coverage in such sources if they exist. 4. Much of the article is written in a tone and style that tends to promote the company. This is discouraged, and such content should be removed or, if notable, rewritten in a neutral fashion. See Wikipedia:Spam. The article has a number of fairly serious issues that need to be resolved. If they are not, the article could become a candidate for deletion.--Opus 113 (talk) 04:17, 28 December 2009 (UTC) Thanks Thank you very much for your comments, observations and suggestions. 1. Yes, I am very involved with Ospina Coffee Company. This is what makes me the maximum authority to describe, narrate and write about it. Nobody knows it better than I do. The Company is 175 years old, and this is the first time that a serious article has been writen about it, although there is plenty of info and references out there, in the public domain. 2. This is my first article in Wikipedia and thus, I was under the impression that references from Wikipedia were much more reliable than any other. 3. As to the notability issues, the Company has received numerous awards and recognition world wide, such as in France, China, Japan, Taiwan and the USA. There are many articles published in books, magazines and newspapers. Please go to Google and search for "Ospina", "Ospina Coffee" and "Ospina Coffee Company" and you will find these information. 4. I do not undesrstand what you mean by the tone and style of the article. It is a cronological exposition of facts, names, dates and places. It is not a spam. They are undisputed facts! You mention a number of fairly serious issues that need to be resolved. Kindly please point them out to me. Thanks. --Mariano Ospina, V 04:21, 29 December 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Grancafe (talk • contribs) --Mariano Ospina, V 04:46, 29 December 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Grancafe (talk • contribs)

Comment. See this search for some potentially useful references from reliable sources. - Eastmain (talk) 04:58, 29 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If you search for Ospina Coffee rather than Ospina Coffee Company, you will get better results. - Eastmain (talk) 05:00, 29 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

More references can be found at http://www.accessmylibrary.com/search/?q=Ospina+coffee -- Eastmain (talk) 05:08, 29 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. -- Quantumobserver (talk) 05:37, 29 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

References
Preliminary Book References Books Informe del Gerente de La Federacion al Sexto Congreso Nacional de Cafeteros, Federacion Nacional de Cafeteros de Colombia, Junio de 1934, Colombia. Brown Gold, The Amazing Story of Coffee, Andres Uribe C., Random House Inc., NY, 1954, Library of Congress Catalog Card Number 55-5793. The Ideal of the Practical, Frank Safford, University of Texas Press, 1976, ISBN 0-292-73803-X Gobernantes Colombianos, Interprint, Ignacio Arismendi Posada, Bogota, Colombia, 1983 Colombian Coffee Sector Study, The World Bank, October 2002, ISSN 1657-5334 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Grancafe (talk • contribs) 14:25, 29 December 2009 (UTC)[reply] Most truly, --Grancafe (talk) 14:27, 29 December 2009 (UTC)[reply] Two More Books De la Unidad Nacional a la Hegemonia Conservadora, Hernan Jaramillo Ocampo, Editorial Pluma Ltd., Bogota, 1980 El Café en el Desarrollo de Antioquia, Federación Nacional de Cafeteros de Colombia, Editorial Colina, January, 2000, ISBN 958-33-1279-7 Thanks, --Grancafe (talk) 15:05, 29 December 2009 (UTC)[reply] Magazine Articles Robb Report, Best of the Best 2004, Singular Essentials by Jessica Taylor, Volume XXVIII, June, 2004. Target Trends Magazine, The Taste of Ospina Coffee, Shanghai, China, April, 2005. Robb Report, Best of the Best 2005, Pure Perfection by SGS, Volume XXIX, June, 2005. Uptown Magazine, Damn That’s Some Good Coffee by Thomas Carrig, Charlotte, NC, March, 2007. Robb Report, Best of the Best 2007, Of Note by James Dimonekas, Volume XXXI, June, 2007. Robb Report Motor Cycling, Haute Coffee by Jennifer Hall, Volume 2, Number 2, Summer 2005. Evasion’s International, Les Cafés Exceptionales by Rufus Willis, Paris, France, March, 2005. SouthPark Magazine, Premium Blend by Lee Rohdes, Charlotte, NC, October, 2007. Please consider, thnaks --Grancafe (talk) 17:16, 29 December 2009 (UTC)[reply] Newspaper Articles The Charlotte Observer, Gourmet Coffee by Cristina Breen, February 14, 2003. The Charlotte Observer, The Observer’s Choice, Best of 2004, Tuesday, June 8, 2004. The Charlotte Observer, The Insider, by Jeff Elder, Monday, October 2, 2006. The Charlotte Observer, The King of Coffee in Exile by Jeff Elder, Sunday, March 16, 2008. Thanks, --Grancafe (talk) 17:18, 29 December 2009 (UTC)[reply] Encyclopedic Works and References Encyclopedic Works a) Wikipedia, Colombia, Mariano Ospina Rodriguez, Partido Conservador Colombiano, Pedro Nel Ospina, Mariano Ospina Perez, Federación Nacional de Cafeteros de Colombia. b) Biblioteca Luis Angel Arango, Bogota: Mariano Ospina Rodriguez, Pedro Nel Ospina, Mariano Ospina Perez c) U.S. Departament of State, Colombia, Ospinas d) Coffee in Colombia 1850- 1979, Marco Palacios, Cambridge, Latin American Studies e) Encyclopedia Britanica: Mariano Ospina Rodriguez, Pedro Nel Ospina, Mariano Ospina Perez f) El Continente de los Siete Colores: German Arciniegas, 1965, Buenos Aires, Editorial Sudamericana g) Historia de America: Rafael Maria Granados, 1953, Bogota h) 1200 Años de Historia: Historia, relatos y Genealogia de los Ospinas, Mariano Ospina Peña, 2004 Bogota i) Diccionario Biografici y Bibliografico de Colombia, 1926, Editorial Cromos Bogota j) La vida del General Pedro Nel Ospina: Emilio Robledo 1956, Autores Antioquenos Vol 8, Medellin k) Fundacion de Educacion Superior Mariano Ospina Perez, Nov. 2009 (in the Internet) l) Biografia del Cafe: Malcom Deas, Agosto 2009

Thanks, --Grancafe (talk) 20:56, 29 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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