Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Operation Al-Aqsa Flood

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎. The consensus is a WP:SNOW keep. (non-admin closure) Selfstudier (talk) 11:47, 14 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Operation Al-Aqsa Flood

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This article was originally merged here into what is now named 2023 Israel-Hamas war.

Subsequently, it was demerged with limited discussion even though a large number of editors have been commenting on the ongoing event.

The current title, subject of a chaotic current RM, is POV and since this is an integral part of the ongoing war, it should be deleted/remerged with 2023 Israel-Hamas war. Selfstudier (talk) 17:43, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep/Speedy Close — Title is sourced by several secondary reliable sources including Al Jazeera, Reuters, & The United Nations (UN). The UN even said and I quote, “On Saturday, 7 October — a Jewish sabbath day, the end of the weeklong Jewish festival of Sukkot, and a day after the 50th anniversary of the Yom Kippur War — Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups launched Operation al-Aqsa Flood, a coordinated assault consisting of land and air attacks into multiple border areas of Israel.” AfD nominator participated in the so called “chaotic RM”, stated it was POV, and is now attempting to cause disruption to Wikipedia because several editors (current solid majority in fact) say the article title is perfectly fine, especially given the UN uses it. I request this AfD get speedy closed as being disruptive in the middle of a perfectly valid requested move discussion…especially given the AfD nomination itself violates WP:NPOV with “The current title, subject of a chaotic current RM, is POV” being an opinion from the AfD nominator, who is beating a dead horse at this point. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 18:06, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment — At the time of this message, the requested move discussion being referenced by the AfD nominator has 17 editors involved with 49 comments. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 18:19, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. This is like proposing to delete page September 11 attacks. Yes, this extraordinary attack by Hamas forces led to 2023 Israel–Hamas war (pretty much like USA have declared their "war on terror"), but the attack by Hamas is a separate well defined event, hence a separate page. This is a legitimate sub-page of 2023 Israel–Hamas war. My very best wishes (talk) 18:59, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Agree with rationale of My very best wishes. These are two distinct topics, and this page qualifies as a well-defined sub-page of 2023 Israel–Hamas war, i.e. "Operation AlAqsa Flood" is not synonymous with the entire war, and only describes a front/operation at the beginning of an current event/war. Although this page led to and can topically be contained within the 2023 Israel–Hamas war page, the content within that page should only contain summary knowledge of this topic because the extent of information needed to sufficiently cover this topic would make that page too lengthy. Relspas (talk) 23:55, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The title of the article (Al-Aqsa Flood) is the actual name that Hamas announced for its operation against Israel, and it is the most widespread name.In most of the wars and rounds of escalation taking place between Hamas and Israel, the name of the operation is announced after a period of time, but the current title was exported from the first minutes, and it is the most widespread.--— Osama Eid ^(talk) 19:14, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, possibly rename as the Operation Overlord analogy made a lot of sense to me. - AquilaFasciata (talk | contribs) 19:16, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge How many sub-articles will we create when the current war has only been going on for 6 days? Hamas refers to the entire war under the symbolic name Operation Al-Aqsa Flood. Dl.thinker (talk) 21:07, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Military operations last for a while. Operation Overlord, one of the most famous military operations in history lasted over 2 months. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 21:18, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Terrorism, Israel, and Palestine. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 20:15, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Per Osama Eid.--فيصل (talk) 23:16, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Of course. Per above. — Javert2113 (Siarad.|¤) 23:40, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep/Speedy close. The Hamas operation is independently noteworthy and now over, while the overall war continues, so there is no sense in merging the two. There's a clear consensus in favor of Keep here (all comments to date), so I suggest a speedy close for this. Jpatokal (talk) 02:42, 14 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
There are a handful of comments in favor of merging the article, which I think is reason enough to keep the AfD live for at least a little longer. I'd say maybe give it another 16-24 hours and see where things stand. If the consensus does not change by then, I think we can close this AfD as "keep" without much dissension. Kurtis ^(talk) 04:47, 14 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

*Merge. It covers the exact same content as the 2023 Israel–Hamas war article. David O. Johnson (talk) 03:15, 14 October 2023 (UTC) [reply]

On second thought, striking my previous comment. David O. Johnson (talk) 08:20, 14 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, but try to avoid redundancies between this article and the 2023 Israel–Hamas war article. David O. Johnson (talk) 08:20, 14 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep—For the same reason that Iraqi invasion of Kuwait isn't a redirect to Gulf War. We need separate articles for specific military engagements (invasions, massacres, battles, etc) that occur during the course of a war because they allow us to describe that particular sequence of events in greater detail without inundating the conflict's main article with extraneous text. If we consolidated everything into a single article, it would be too long to read and navigate comfortably. Kurtis ^(talk) 04:22, 14 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - The swift operation conducted by Hamas forces resulted in a significant impact, despite its brevity. led to 2023 Israel–Hamas war --Nehaoua (talk) 08:06, 14 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.