Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/On the Strength of All Convinced
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The result was no consensus. Spartaz Humbug! 05:37, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
On the Strength of All Convinced[edit]
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No WP:RS to establish WP:GNG or WP:NALBUM. No results in a google news, books, scholar, or One Search. Significant original research. Theredproject (talk) 13:06, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 13:21, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 13:21, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
- Comment: there's the AllMusic review linked in the ratings box, and a brief review in The A.V. Club [1]... would that be enough? Richard3120 (talk) 15:47, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
- Unsurprisingly (as nom) I don't think so: according to Wikipedia, is "AllMusic is an online music database" like IMDB, which is not a WP:RS. The A.V. Club may or may not be RS, but it is barely substantive coverage, and I don't think that source alone can establish N. --Theredproject (talk) 11:35, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
- AllMusic has been well established as an RS for many years - it began as a print book edited by Stephen Thomas Erlewine and featuring reviews by many established music journalists, before moving online. Richard3120 (talk) 14:04, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
- Apologies for jumping into this conversation, but AllMusic is a reliable source for Wikipedia and is not comparable to IMDb as stated above. The A.V. Club is also a reliable source. However, there should be more coverage on a topic than just two sources. Aoba47 (talk) 17:48, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
- @Aoba47: agreed, I'd like to see more than the one and a half sources I found before voting keep... the nominator does have a point that coverage is very thin. Richard3120 (talk) 22:12, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
- The avclub.com review is also a reliable source as it's a review by someone who appears to be a staff writer. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums/Sources for a larger list of acceptable album review sources that clearly lists AllMusic and avclub. Walter Görlitz (talk) 20:22, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
- @Aoba47: agreed, I'd like to see more than the one and a half sources I found before voting keep... the nominator does have a point that coverage is very thin. Richard3120 (talk) 22:12, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
- Apologies for jumping into this conversation, but AllMusic is a reliable source for Wikipedia and is not comparable to IMDb as stated above. The A.V. Club is also a reliable source. However, there should be more coverage on a topic than just two sources. Aoba47 (talk) 17:48, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
- AllMusic has been well established as an RS for many years - it began as a print book edited by Stephen Thomas Erlewine and featuring reviews by many established music journalists, before moving online. Richard3120 (talk) 14:04, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
- Unsurprisingly (as nom) I don't think so: according to Wikipedia, is "AllMusic is an online music database" like IMDB, which is not a WP:RS. The A.V. Club may or may not be RS, but it is barely substantive coverage, and I don't think that source alone can establish N. --Theredproject (talk) 11:35, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
- Week Keep The AllMusic review is both a reliable source and good coverage. While AllMusic is a database, if a reviewer had to write something up, we accept that as a reliable source. We do not accept entries that have only a rating without a review. We do not accept user-submitted reviewers either. We do not accept the genre clouds that are machine-generated. We only accept the prose as reliable, but with that said, we need more than one reliable source, and the PunkNews staff review would be enough. My concern is that the article may not ever be more than a track listing. The article should incorporate elements of all three reviews. I suggest that the nominator should improve the article for not adequately doing WP:BEFORE, but I have no way of enforcing that and since BEFORE was ignored I suspect that this suggestion will be as well. Walter Görlitz (talk) 20:20, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spirit of Eagle (talk) 04:44, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spirit of Eagle (talk) 04:44, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
- @Walter Görlitz: I did extensive research WP:BEFORE I nom'd. I just didn't (and don't) think that AllMusic and Punk News establish N-- There is nothing else here.Theredproject (talk) 12:24, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MrClog (talk) 14:05, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MrClog (talk) 14:05, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
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