Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Oliver James Phillips

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The result was delete. NW (Talk) 03:25, 13 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Oliver James Phillips[edit]

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Doesn't meet notability; speedy deletion opposed on basis of participation in a single event (WP:ONEEVENT), that hundreds of others have participated in to date. No sources found to indicate particular notability in this field. Rest of article consists of general biography, hobbies. Appears to be written by the subject for WP:PROMOTION. — Pretzels^Hii! 23:28, 27 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I would however add the subject of the article is a national representative and has a lot of references which back up their notability. Also the work they have done on the mosquito is rather fantastic, and has gone far in changing legislation in the UK, look at Sheffield County Council for example, Blackpool, Kent. The various edms and parliamentary support he has recieved. Weternhuttle (talk) 23:41, 27 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

If you could show these sources, the campaign itself could be notable; but still not Oliver Phillips. Besides, the majority of coverage of the mosquito campaign seems to be on forums, Twitter, and Oliver's personal blog - which are not valid reliable sources. The one story that does crop up in a few publications ([1]) merely says that he is happy about something unrelated to his actions. — Pretzels^Hii! 00:26, 28 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Notable.[edit]

I just want to say, that this young person is most definitely notable. He was one of the first ever young people in history to debate in the house of commons. No one has debated in the house of commons other than elected MPs before the Youth Parliament did in 2009. He was part of that debate, making him clearly notable. olik8 23:24, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Please familiarise yourself with the notability guidelines for people. "Just being an elected local official, or an unelected candidate for political office, does not guarantee notability" - would all x hundred members involved in the debate be notable enough for a Wikipedia article? — Pretzels^Hii! 23:28, 27 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

He isn't a local representative he is a national one. He is extremely notable amongst young people. Let me get this straight, because he is an MP for young people, an MYP. He isn't as notable as someone who those over 18 rather than those under 18 voted for? Weternhuttle (talk) 00:27, 28 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The UK Youth Parliament, a pressure group with no power, does not qualify as "major political office". Oliver's page says he was elected in Stafford to represent that area; whether he is prominent internally has no bearing and does not make him a national representative of young people. — Pretzels^Hii! 02:19, 28 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

He was elected by young people, to represent them at a national level surely making him a national representative? It says on his page he was elected as a representative locally and was subsequently elected to a national position. Weternhuttle (talk) 03:40, 28 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The group he was elected to, the "Procedures Group", is described and sourced on Wikipedia as "decisions regarding the development and progression of the organisation". Therefore, it is not a role to represent young people nationally, they represent the members of the parliament internally; more like a civil servant, if anything.

Note: User:Weternhuttle has been blocked as a sockpuppet. — Pretzels^Hii! 11:29, 28 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:18, 6 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I would suggest this individual comfortably lies below the notability criteria, although may not always remain so. It is clear that an MYP cannot be usefully compared to an MP. TheGrappler (talk) 00:59, 6 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 02:10, 6 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 02:11, 6 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. This looks more like a biographical page about somebody that I would see on MySpace. As far as the articles, the only thing I was able to derive from them is that he's a MYP and he was bringing campaigning against the mosquito devices. None of the other articles refer to him at all. I'm going with WP:ONEEVENT and stating that, based on this, he is not notable. --Dennis The Tiger (Rawr and stuff) 05:49, 6 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete non notable vanity page as speedily as is possible. MYPs are inherently non-notable and have no claim to notability. MLA (talk) 07:28, 6 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - The same biography was discussed a year ago Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Oli Phillips Speedy G4 or has new material been added? Putney Bridge (talk) 08:24, 6 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Probably no for a G4 - on account that the article was brought into AFD and A7'd the same day. --Dennis The Tiger (Rawr and stuff) 19:37, 6 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. There's no comparison between Parliament and the Youth Parliament. One is a body with sovereign power over a country, the other is a powerless body that debates issues. The power and influence of MPs is vastly more than that of MYPs. Yes, he's a "national representative", but so are representatives of many trade unions, pressure groups and so on. The rules is the same for all of them - you get an article only if you get significant coverage in reliable sources. Out of the six sources quoted here, three are from local papers, one is from the local section of the BBC news site, one don't mention Oliver Phillips at all, and the other is a self-published MP's webpage. Nowhere near the notability threshold in WP:GNG. Chris Neville-Smith (talk) 09:55, 6 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Here's the assertion of encyclopedia-worthiness from the lead: Oliver James Phillips is a young parliamentarian from Stafford, Staffordshire, UK. So, is a member of a Youth Parliament inherently notable? Not in my book. Photo of "Oli" posing on the empty floor of Commons is additional evidence that this article is, in essence, promotional fluff. Carrite (talk) 18:55, 6 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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