Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Oliver Herbrich

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The result was no consensus. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 14:25, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oliver Herbrich[edit]

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Non-notable. Does not appear to have won any truly significant film award and otherwise fails WP:GNG, as the only sources in the article are press releases; own website; and catalogues, and what I could find elsewhere is an interview or another one about a film he produced... RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 00:58, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 01:16, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 01:17, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note The recent additions to the article by its creator are also similarly based on dubious sources (including the two I found above, and more listings and trivial coverage)... RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 00:34, 3 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

N.B.: New references enclosed on Sept 3rd 2021 are all live status and acknowledged. This concerns

Ref 1: Issued by Filmmuseum Düsseldorf – stating Herbrich's Vorlass (= Nachlass of a living person) has been taken to its collection in 2019

Ref 9: Issued by Hanns Seidel Foundation – information about film workshop on „Searching for El Dorado“ and „Bikini – mon amour“ held by Oliver Herbrich in the renowned institution in Dec 2019.

Ref 11: Issued by German newspaper Die Zeit – article on release history of „The Bavarian Al Capone“ in 1987

Ref 12: Issued by German newspaper Donaukurier – article on re-release of „The Bavaria Al Capone“ in Nov. 2019 (full page article)

Ref 13: Issued by German newspaper Augsburger Allgemeine Zeitung – Interview with Oliver Herbrich on „Earthbound“ from Aug 2018 (full page article)

Ref 16/17: issued by German Films – archive information (synopsis, film data, festivals) on „Priests of the Condemned“ and „Rules of the Road“ in English

Ref 19: Issued by German newspaper Münchner Merkur – article on Oliver Herbrich on start of retrospective form Nov 2017 (full page article)

Post scriptum: The English press releases (= references 2, 5, 8, 10 and 15) have been replaced by information from DFF – Deutsches Filminstitut und Filmmuseum Frankfurt providing archival material on German films in English language. The films referred to are 30 to 40 years old – only references from that time are printed newspaper articles and interviews in German language (i.e. pdf) – no recent web sources available from that pre internet era). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Henriette2018 (talk • contribs)

In order: ref 1 = database entry; ref 9 = pamphlet for a seminary which looks both like routine coverage and non-independent coverage (it's clear the Herbrich was involved, "Wir freuen uns, dass Oliver Herbrich mit uns über seine Filme diskutieren wird [...]" [We are happy that Oliver Herbrich will discuss his movies with us]); ref 11: can't access [1], but looks from the title more like a candidate for coverage of the movie than of it's director (and WP:NINHERITED), and might even be an interview like refs 12 ([2]) and 13 ([3]) - interview are not independent of the subject, so are not sufficient to meet WP:GNG; 16/17 are also database entries; and 19 is also an interview (as I've identified in my original post here). So basically none of the sources are sufficient to meet WP:GNG. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 14:31, 4 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

PPS: More (non-interview) media coverage from German press on Herbrich and his work (1980 – 1995) is available as printed newspaper articles and could be submitted as pdfs. However, inclusion as download (via “filesur.com”) has been inhibited. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Henriette2018 (talk • contribs)

The reason for that is because hosting of content like that without the approval of the copyright holders is a copyright violation and Wikipedia can't link to copyright violations for obvious legal reasons. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 18:42, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 03:50, 9 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Almost all refrences have been replaced - please see leastest version of the article. No more interviews or data base entries. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Henriette2018 (talk • contribs)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 14:17, 16 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.