Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Olive Tree Bible Software - BibleReader

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. W.marsh 15:21, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Olive Tree Bible Software - BibleReader

Prod removed without comment. Appears to be an ad for non-notable PDA add-on software. Fails WP:SOFTWARE, WP:SPAM. -- Fan-1967 16:05, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Prolog 16:25, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom - although it's a good package and I use it frequently it's still NN. -- Bpmullins 17:17, 29 September 2006 (UTC) Now neutral - see comments below. -- Bpmullins 08:25, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
• Weak keep. It looks to be the most popular package for handhelds, but I'm not sure about notability, since that's just so fluid. --Dennisthe2 18:14, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

• I'm sorry, can you clarify that? Do you mean this is the most popular of all software packages for handhelds (I'd want to see some verification on that), or do you mean it's the most popular Bible-reading package? Fan-1967 18:20, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

• My bad, it seems to be the most popular package for handhelds as far as bible software goes. At least, this is a maybe - it was a few years ago according to Palmgear, but it's been a while since I had needed to install it. --Dennisthe2 19:31, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

So they may be big within a niche market, but how big is that niche? How would they compare with other PDA products? Fan-1967 19:49, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure I could hope to answer that question. How many religious types carry PDAs? Precisely where the answer is in there is left as an exercise. But yeah, niche market. --Dennisthe2 22:20, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Over one million people have downloaded the BibleReader utility, maybe someone could help us in how to present it, other wiki items are very similiar such as: Logos Bible Software, e-sword, and PhotoShop (software), thanks Drew Haninger (Drew444)

He's got a point. If we're going to allow the first two examples (PhotoShop isn't relevant here) we should probably allow this one as well. My sense is that all are NN, but I don't think that battle's on right now. (Drew, I edited your comment only to make links. Sorry for stepping on your code, but it seemed useful.) -- Bpmullins 08:25, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Comments, suggestions and fixes are welcome. PDA for Bibles used to be only for techy people, now going mainstread slowly especially as PDA's transition to smartphones (cell phones). - Drew

• Delete with conditions - When I look at the article by itself it's a clear delete to me. However, if it is deleted, then all articles in Study Bible under Study Bible Software should also be deleted. I will AfD them if appropriate. --ArmadilloFromHell 14:28, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

• Keep - While this article is poorly written and poorly named, doesn't know if it is a company or software article and needs much work, I don't think any of these are reasons to delete. A google search revealed numerous independant reviews of this software, I will add some of these to external links in the article. Also while not one strictly fits the notability criteria that the NY Times article Hot-Synching With a Heavenly Presence by DEBRA NUSSBAUM COHEN Published: February 7, 2002, Thursday list this software as "Among the most popular downloads at PalmGear.com" must be some sort of indication this is notable PDA software if any PDA software is to be considered noteable. - Waza 03:56, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.