Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Okefenokee Oar

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus for deletion. Redirecting can be dealt with on the talk page, etc. \ Backslash Forwardslash / (talk) 23:31, 6 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Okefenokee Oar[edit]

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This is a new "tradition" too fresh to be notable yet. Orange Mike | Talk 23:53, 30 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to The World's Largest Outdoor Cocktail Party. It has received third-party coverage but all of it local. Agree with Orangemike, too new for its own page at this point. J04n(talk page) 01:50, 31 October 2009 (UTC) Rename to 'Florida-Georgia football rivalry' per argument made by Davemaul. I was actually surprised that such a page does not exist, the rivalry is notable and a bit about the oar would be great. I still think that a page generated prior to, or just after, the 'first annual' anything is too soon. Some national coverage would also be nice, the game is today so let's see if papers outside of Florida and Georgia cover it tomorrow. J04n(talk page) 12:36, 31 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

comment. I checked three sources that covered the game here, here, and here, none reported on the awarding of the oar. Another google & google news search one day after it has been awarded and there is still no non-local coverage. The other similar awards have a much longer history. J04n(talk page) 13:50, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Response to comment. For recent news coverage of the Okefenokee Oar, see Okefenokee Oar New Trophy For Football Rivalry, UF and Georgia student body presidents to battle for huge paddle, here, Winner of Saturday's game gets bragging rights, 'Okefenokee Oar', UGA, Florida playing for new trophy, Florida-Georgia winner to get 'Okefenokee Oar', and SGAs begin new tradition. Cbl62 (talk) 18:53, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

response to response: as I pointed out, all of this is regional coverage. I agree that the rivalry should have a page but not the trophy. J04n(talk page) 19:56, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of American football-related deletion discussions. Cbl62 (talk) 03:37, 31 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Can't agree that it's too new. Florida-Georgia is one of the premier rivalries in college football. Trophies associated with college football's significant rivalries (most less signficant than Georgia-Florida) are acknowledged to be notable. See, e.g., Paul Bunyan Trophy, Paul Bunyan's Axe, Little Brown Jug (football), Old Oaken Bucket, Floyd of Rosedale, Florida Cup, Telephone Trophy, Iron Skillet, Slab of Bacon, Apple Cup, Peace Pipe, Platypus Trophy, Jeweled Shillelagh, Steel Tire, Land Grant Trophy, Old Brass Spittoon, Sweet Sioux Tomahawk and Fremont Cannon. Cbl62 (talk) 08:12, 31 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The World's Largest Outdoor Cocktail Party is an outdated reference that is historical. The current, accepted reference is the Okefenokee Oar, as confirmed by the two schools. Disagree with Orangemike and J04n to Merge. Cocktail Party is a separate reference. Agree with Cbl62 that the rivalry is significant and the tradition is valid regardless of date estabished. Davemaul (talk) 13:12, 31 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

comment. Non-local coverage has already surfaced. Here is acknowledgement from Baltimore, MD [1] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Davemaul (talk • contribs) 01:38, 2 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

comment. this is just a mention in a blog J04n(talk page)

response to comment: The Beachwood Reporter out of Chicago has now picked this up and reported on the Oar in their article summarizing the week's college football games[2] Davemaul 21:56, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Keep. The physical item is new, but the rivalry is old. I don't see how the age of the physical trophy would make it insignificant. Last I looked the general criteria for notability, notability is met by citing independent sources of media coverage, but I don't recall any requirement that there be national coverage. That said, every article I read on the Oar referenced its introduction on CBS' television broadcast prior to the game.Dwinches (talk) 18:00, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Rivalry is significant enough as is the tradition. Length is irrelevant.--Giants 27(Contribs|WP:CFL) 19:52, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to The World's Largest Outdoor Cocktail Party which is the main article about the rivalry. Yes the rivalry is notable, as pointed out above, but this particular award doesn't have the historical tradition that the rivalry itself does and it is best mentioned within the greater context of the rivalry. I respect Davemaul's claim that this is the replacement for the old name, but I just don't see that claim being verified in reliable sources. The Cocktail Party article itself states that the tradition is ongoing and has the halloween matchup as its latest occurance. It should probably be renamed to something like "Florida-Georgia rivalry" which I believe is our standard naming convention for articles such as this. Them From Space 01:24, 2 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Response to comment. TWLOCP might be appropriate to consider keeping as a familiar name for the event, but it is unrelated to the trophy presented for winning the game, nor is it at all related to the game...it refers more to the tailgating. Davemaul 20:05, 3 November 2009

Either Redirect to The World's Largest Outdoor Cocktail Party, or move the Cocktail party article to 'Florida-Georgia football rivalry' and then redirect it. Personally, I like "World's Largest Outdoor Cocktail Party," which has 1410 Google news hits. Usage of that term peaked in 2006. Abductive (reasoning) 00:54, 3 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Response to comment. TWLOCP might be appropriate to consider keeping as a familiar name for the event, but it is unrelated to the trophy presented for winning the game, nor is it at all related to the game...it refers more to the tailgating. Davemaul 20:05, 3 November 2009

Redirect to The World's Largest Outdoor Cocktail Party and incorporate the information about the trophy there. The rivalry is established and notable, and the trophy is just an extension of that. Grsz¹¹ 02:59, 3 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Response to comment. TWLOCP might be appropriate to consider keeping as a familiar name for the event, but it is unrelated to the trophy presented for winning the game, nor is it at all related to the game...it refers more to the tailgating. Davemaul 20:05, 3 November 2009

Yes it refers to tailgating, but the game in general as well. If this wasn't the case, the article would be Florida-Georgia game, which I'm okay with, but is probably a different discussion. Grsz¹¹ 16:09, 4 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.