Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Odsonne Édouard (2nd nomination)

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The result was Move to draft. -- RoySmith (talk) 01:32, 12 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Odsonne Édouard[edit]

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Speedy deletion per WP:G4 was declined on the grounds that article is very different with many more references and more claims of importance. However, the underlying notability concerns remain. He has not received significant coverage or played in a fully pro league, meaning the article still doe not meet WP:GNG or WP:NSPORT. Sir Sputnik (talk) 19:44, 28 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Sir Sputnik (talk) 19:44, 28 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - The page was previously deleted because Odsonne Édouard didn't own any professional experience to his name. Since then, he has signed a professional contract with Paris Saint-Germain. Moreover, Édouard has joined their first-team squad for the pre-season and 2016 International Champions Cup.

Has also received significant coverage by the media: Le Parisien – Odsonne Edouard, la nouvelle pépite du PSG sur le départ?, Metro – Manchester United ready to make transfer move for Odsonne Edouard – report, theScore – Paris Saint-Germain teenager Odsonne Edouard signs senior deal, sportskeeda – Paris Saint-Germain hands teen star Odsonne Edouard his first professional contract, ESPN – Odsonne Edouard signs professional contract with Paris Saint-Germain and L'Equipe – Odsonne Edouard bientôt pro... au PSG (just to mention a few). Hurrygane (talk) 20:37, 28 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

— Note to closing admin: Hurrygane (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this AfD.

Delete - Fails NFOOTY as has not played senior international football nor played in a fully professional league. No indication that subject has garnered significant reliable coverage for any other achievements to satisfy GNG. SOurces above are merely routine transfer / contract talk. Hundreds of these sorts of small articles are produced during the close season for all sorts of young players signing contracts. The bottom line is this is a player who has never actually played football at a notable level, signing a contract indicates he might, but nothing more. Multiple reports of the same contract being signed do not amount to GNG. Fenix down (talk) 15:59, 29 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and SALT - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. Giant Snowman 09:59, 30 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Even though I declined speedy delete, as the new article was different to the old with different references; the current references are either connected ie uefa, or only have a passing mention (just the name). So at this point notability is not yet proven. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 04:08, 1 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —UY Scuti ^Talk 15:14, 4 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep or move to Draft. Seriously, he's one appearance away from meeting the football guideline, and arguably passes WP:GNG already. It could be argued that if he never played another game he wouldn't merit an article, in which case keeping as a draft until he makes his pro debut would be the best approach. This has been deleted and recreated once - this doesn't justify salting even if deleted this time. --Michig (talk) 16:00, 4 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep arguments based on speculation as to future appearances have been consistently rejected in the past (see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Louis Bennett II and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Baoringdao Bodo for recent examples) as these claims are inherently unverifiable. Sir Sputnik (talk) 20:34, 4 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

If that was the only argument for keeping you'd have a point, but if GNG is satisfied, the number of games played is irrelevant. --Michig (talk) 20:50, 4 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, but general notability is not met here either. As pointed out by several editors above, what coverage there is, is not significant. Sir Sputnik (talk) 13:44, 6 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Édouard has already debuted AND scored for PSG at the International Champions Cup. What else can you ask for? However, this feat also increased his general notability. Hurrygane (talk) 22:46, 6 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of France-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 01:27, 7 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The International Champions Cup is a privately organised friendly competition. Despite its grandiose name it is of no significance really. NFOOTY requires players to have played in competitive games. Fenix down (talk) 07:59, 7 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Move to draft. Don't see why the article should be deleted completely because he's probably going to be making his competitive debut with Toulouse in the next couple of weeks. Davykamanzi → talk • contribs • alter ego 19:46, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Move to draft Fails WP:NFOOTBALL at the moment, having never played in a fully professional league, but likely to pass it in the coming weeks. Ilikeeatingwaffles (talk) 10:32, 10 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.