Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ocean Mysteries with Jeff Corwin

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The result was keep‎. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 00:20, 29 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ocean Mysteries with Jeff Corwin[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG. Apart from trivial mentions regarding the show's Emmy wins, there are only only a few WP:RSes: [1], [2], and [3] were written around the time of the show's release, and focus more on the Georgia Aquarium than the show. [4] and [5] are pretty trivial. [6] focuses on the subject of the particular episode (sea lions), rather than the show itself. voorts (talk/contributions) 23:58, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Television, Animal, Science, and Environment. voorts (talk/contributions) 23:58, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
1. Ashby, Emily (2019-09-20). "Parents' Guide to Ocean Mysteries. By Emily Ashby, Common Sense Media Reviewer". Common Sense Media. Archived from the original on 2023-05-22. Retrieved 2023-05-22.
  The review notes: "Corwin brings his passion for animals and the environment to this exciting series that promotes conservation through a better understanding of individual marine species. ... Although the show also touches on heavier topics like scientific research and how environmental degradation affects the species they study, it's designed to maintain even young kids' attention, relating an animal's size or weight to familiar objects like cars and giving definitions for terms that aren't familiar. If you're looking to learn something new as a family, Ocean Mysteries is a great place to start, and it's sure to inspire a new respect for the natural world and a new appreciation for conservationists' efforts to protect it."
2. "Ocean Mysteries with Jeff Corwin: Season 1". The Dove Foundation. Archived from the original on 2023-05-22. Retrieved 2023-05-22.
  The review notes: "“Ocean Mysteries” is a great learning experience. Jeff talks about sea turtles of the present or those from millions of years ago. He is very knowledgeable about the creatures presented in each episode. He will keep you interested in the research, capture, release and healing of some of the oceans’ endangered species."
3. Ruggieri, Melissa (2011-09-02). "Georgia Aquarium star of new 'Ocean Mysteries' series". The Atlanta Journal-Constitution. Archived from the original on 2023-05-22. Retrieved 2023-05-22.
  The article notes: "Corwin, a longtime TV host and animal conservationist, is spearheading “Ocean Mysteries with Jeff Corwin,” a weekly 26-episode show that debuts Saturday morning on ABC. The show, part of “Litton's Weekend Adventure” programming shown nationwide, is directly affiliated with Georgia Aquarium; each episode is either being shot at the downtown Atlanta marine emporium or features experts from the venue. The idea for the show germinated about a year ago, when Georgia Aquarium and Litton Entertainment decided to create a unique series focused on sea creatures. ... Saturday’s debut episode follows ... The eight episodes completed so far include a journey to the coast of Mexico to extract blood from wild whale sharks ..."
4. Chun, Gary C.W. (2013-06-04). "Animal instinct". Honolulu Star-Advertiser. Archived from the original on 2023-05-22. Retrieved 2023-05-22.
  The article notes: "The conservationist and television host was here to shoot three episodes for the third season of "Ocean Mysteries with Jeff Corwin," which airs Saturday mornings on ABC. ... Corwin and the "Ocean Mysteries" crew travel the world's oceans in search of interesting stories that not only have a bit of adventure, but also convey a message about the importance of ocean research. ... "Ocean Mysteries," made in conjunction with the Georgia Aquarium in Atlanta, is Corwin's first foray into broadcast TV. ... Hawaii was first featured on "Ocean Mysteries" in 2011, when Corwin visited the islands to spotlight manta rays and Hawaiian monk seals."
There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Ocean Mysteries with Jeff Corwin to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".
Cunard (talk) 01:34, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I concede that the sources you've provided are reliable, but that doesn't end the analysis. Sources need to be reliable and establish notability, which requires significant coverage. I've already explained why I don't find source #3 to be SIGCOV of the show, rather than promotional/routine coverage of Jeff Corwin and the Georgia Aquarium. As for sources 1 and 2, while Common Sense Media is an RS for reviews per WP:RSPSS, the review isn't significant; it's one paragraph long and doesn't critically analyze the show.. Same with the Dove Foundation review. The Honolulu Star-Advertiser article likewise reads as a promo for the show (notwithstanding that it's from an independent source). voorts (talk/contributions) 21:49, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as lacking any real significance. All coverage is routine and/or promotional in nature. --SilverTiger12 (talk) 17:48, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Weekend Adventure#Programming, or Jeff Corwin#Television On purpose it's designed to do nothing more than comply with educational programming requirements, nothing more than that. There's not much you can do to expand the article, and winning a Daytime Emmy Award is completely different from the primetime version most know. Nate • (chatter) 01:59, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: It is inaccurate to say that the Common Sense Media source is "one paragraph long and doesn't critically analyze the show". The review extensively discusses and analyzes the television show through its various sections:
1. "Educational Value" (59 words)
2. "Positive Messages" (35 words)
3. "Positive Role Models" (49 words)
4. Products & Purchases (15 words)
5. "Parents Need to Know" (94 words)
6. "What's the Story" (86 words)
7. "Is It Any Good" (153 words)
In total, the review provides 491 words of coverage about the subject and contains lots of critical analysis. This clearly is significant coverage of the show. The Dove Foundation review provides 188 words of coverage about the subject, which is also significant coverage. These two sources by themselves are sufficient for Ocean Mysteries with Jeff Corwin to meet Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline. It is inaccurate to dismiss television show reviews in reliable sources as being "routine" or "promotional".
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution and the Honolulu Star-Advertiser articles are independent of the subject and provide significant coverage. Sources are not disqualified from establishing notability just because they present a positive view of the subject.
It is inaccurate to say that "There's not much you can do to expand the article". The article can be substantially expanded through the extensive coverage in the sources I provided.
Cunard (talk) 06:16, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep based on what has been found online. Bearian (talk) 19:19, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - per Cunard's sources, which are sufficient to meet the GNG. matt91486 (talk) 15:44, 24 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: we should be wary of thinking that the bar for SIGCOV is higher than it is: WP:SIGCOV reads significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material. The sources raised by User:Cunard clearly give more than a trivial mention, and so suffice to meet GNG. UndercoverClassicist (talk) 16:48, 24 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep based on the sources brought to light by this process. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 13:49, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as passing GNG, per Cunard above. Carrite (talk) 09:50, 27 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.