Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Obeida Khateb

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The result was delete. Wizardman 16:59, 20 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Obeida Khateb[edit]

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Contested PROD. Concern was Article about a footballer who fails WP:GNG and who has not played in a fully pro league. PROD was contested on the grounds that he may have played for a fully pro club in a non-fully pro league. This is not confirmed by reliable sources, nor would it confer notability if it were. Sir Sputnik (talk) 16:12, 12 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Sir Sputnik (talk) 16:13, 12 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - per this source which shows he did not make any appearances in the Israeli Premier League, which is the only fully-professional league in Israel. This means he fails WP:NFOOTBALL and, as he also fails WP:GNG due to lack of coverage in reliable sources, he is not notable. Giant Snowman 19:36, 12 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: The player fails WP:NFOOTY and WP:GNG. He has never played in the top-tier of Israeli football, nor has he played in a cup match while with that top-tier side. --ArsenalFan700 (talk) 19:52, 12 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - has only plauyed in Liga Lemuit which has not been deemed FPL since 2009. Fenix down (talk) 09:32, 13 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - what is basis for claiming that second-tier of Israeli football isn't professional? Wikipedia says it is - [1]. FIFA says it is - [2]. A recent Israeli newspaper article refers to the 2 top leagues being professional (referring to the promotion of a team to Liga Leumit as being promoted to the professional leagues) [3]. Nfitz (talk) 03:05, 18 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment @Nfitz:, NFOOTY requires players to have played in FULLY professional leagues. The WP link you provide does not say that the Israeli second division is fully professional, merely that it is professional to some degree. That inference is also all that can be read into the FIFA source and the newpaper article you provide. You are more than welcome to provide sources that indicate the league is fully professional, but a player AfD is not the arena in which to do so. Fenix down (talk) 12:00, 18 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment If the player is being deleted on the basis that the league is not fully professional, then the player AFD is indeed an arena to do it. Where is the evidence that the league is not fully professional? One normally talks about professional and non-professional, and there are numerous references to this league as being professional. Nfitz (talk) 22:02, 18 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The league was supposedly fully professional until league reorganisation in 2009 (although having been a regular attendee at matches in the mid 2000s when one club was struggling to get crowds of over 100, I really don't see how that could have been true). It was then merged with the league below, which was part-time and is now a mix – probably more part-time than full time given that the average attendance of the league hovers around the 500 mark. This Jerusalem Post article states "the second division has transformed into a league with a majority of part-time players". The Times of Israel reference is probably linked to the common misunderstanding that if players get paid anything, they are professional (i.e. ignoring the important difference between semi-pro and fully-pro. I know some clubs at level 11 (or even Sunday League) in England pay players). Number 5 7 13:21, 19 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:NFOOTY failure. Number 5 7 13:21, 19 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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