Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Notable or notorious antisemites

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was speedy delete - now a category. -- RHaworth 15:58, 3 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Notable or notorious antisemites[edit]

I'm breaking my own "don't nominate new pages for deletion" rule, and bringing this over for discussion now to get some kind of consensus. While there's a potentially valid list to be created here, there's also potential for either some spectacular BLP violations and/or a sprawling indiscriminate list of information, so I'm bringing it here to get a consensus on whether it should exist before anyone starts adding names to it. Procedural nomination so I abstain. — iridescent (talk to me!) 13:52, 3 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

(Crossposting this from my talk page, to give more clarification as to why I nominated now)

I don't personally think the article should be deleted, and have nominated it procedurally because I know from experience that it will be nominated. For what it's worth, the nearest precedent (List of bisexual people, nominated in February for the same reasons) passed its AfD and I assume this will as well. (Even List of unusual topics survived AfD, and List of people by name survived for four years.) The reason I nominated now, as I hope my nomination made clear (if not, I'll happily reword it) is that I know someone will nominate it when they stumble across it, and it seems better to me to get the arguments out of the way before editors have spent time adding names & referencing it. — iridescent (talk to me!) 15:20, 3 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not yet sure about your objections. Will give it some thought. However, I do not think there will be a problem listing such individuals as Mr. Hitler on such an "honor roll." Any listing would, of course, have to be supported by legitimate sources, as is the policy with any article on Wikipedia. So I'm not sure what your concern is? Cheers. --Ludvikus 14:01, 3 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm neutral on this, hence the "procedural-abstain" - As I said on your talk page, there's certainly a potentially valid list to be made here. My concern is that any valid list is likely to be swamped by repeated "William Shakespeare was an anti-semite"/"No he wasn't" style add-remove-add edit warring, and endless BLP violations as people add every politician they dislike. (See the recent history of Alan Hays for a vision of the floodgate that's likely to open.) The "is anti-Israel the same as anti-semitic" question will also likely be permanently edit-warred over as well. — iridescent (talk to me!) 14:15, 3 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Please note the qualifications I've just posted on the Page. Perhaps that will give you more confidence in the integrity of Wikipedians, in humanity in general as Cyberspace evolves. Your neutrality apparently does not apply to your general faith in human nature, or in the educational role of Wikipedia. Why not help find a way to insure that the Wikispace I've created does not get abused? Instead you manifest a fear of trolls - and wish to give in to them. Ludvikus 14:54, 3 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I like the qualification you've added - and agree that deletion is itself a WP:CRYSTAL style assumption of future trolling. I also agree that if the page can be kept "clean" and only undisputed cases kept, it passes WP:USEFUL, which in my opinion is a perfectly valid criteria. My concerns are the trouble involved in keeping it accurate & clean - look at the history & talk pages of articles like List of bisexual people for a glimpse of how this is likely to go. (That's not a "delete" argument - LoBP survived it's own (staggeringly foul-tempered) AfD which was based on the same arguments.) — iridescent (talk to me!) 15:05, 3 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have no opinion on whether this article should be deleted, but it mirrors the purpose of the former Category:Anti-Semitic people which was deleted in Categories for Discussion in March. The outcome of that discussion was "delete" but without prejudice against a list (which we have here). Computer not responding 14:09, 3 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

DELETE. I now support the deletion. My intent was to create a Category, not an Article. That I've done. So this should be a Quick delete. Ludvikus 15:20, 3 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy delete and close, per author Ludvikus withdrawing article. Mandsford 15:38, 3 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy. Now we can fight over whether category:Notable or notorious antisemites is needed! -- RHaworth 15:58, 3 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.