Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nitin Shroff

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. The rationales for Delete seem to indicate that notability is not (yet) apparent here. Black Kite (talk) 20:53, 31 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Nitin Shroff[edit]

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Weak claims to fame per Wikipedia:Notability_(people)#Creative_professionals; bringing artists from Seychelles to an exhibition, and being written about in Airlife Magazine, a quarterly that distributed at a single French airport. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 15:29, 23 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Artists-related deletion discussions. MT Train^Talk 16:48, 23 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. MT Train^Talk 16:48, 23 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep "An exhibition"? Shroff was the first person to bring established Seychellois artists to the Venice Art Biennale (he was also a curator). The Master ---)Vote Saxon(--- 00:03, 24 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment "First person to bring <nationality> artists to <art organization>" does not meet any notability criteria that I'm aware of. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 14:04, 24 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Curating for the Venice Biennale does not make you instantly notable. That is especially the case when there appear to be zero reliable sources available! I did a search in Gnews and Gbooks and came up with a big fat nothing. No sources, no notability. 104.163.147.121 (talk) 01:28, 24 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note' that my vote above was removed by an editor who called it trolling. This is odd as at another AfD a few hours ago, my vote was removed by The Master, the editor above. I would encourage you both to respect the valid votes of other editors.104.163.147.121 (talk) 10:44, 24 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. What I see by this one: [1] is that he participated in Venice Bienalle as an artist, representing the country. This is one of the most important events in art world, it not the most important. This one grants passing WP:ARTIST. Arthistorian1977 (talk) 13:41, 25 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
After a bit of a deep dive, I think we should Delete because the two Venice claims aren't exactly what they claim to be. The first one: that he exhibited in Venice is mostly correct, with a key caveat: he showed at one of 48 different "Collateral Events" that are not part of the central Venice programming, but which happen at the same time. He showed at Palazzo Bembo (See here[2]) with 77 other artists. Some of them are well known, but many are unknown. The curators of the exhibition are not particularly well known either: Francesca Crudo, Sarah Gold, Carol Roll and Valeria Romagnini. Of the 77 artists, the majority are redlinked, which is merely a quick shorthand:

Canal Cheong Jagerroos

Peter Simon Mühlhäußer

The Icelandic Love Corporation

Elena & Vitaliy Vasiliev

Of the second claim, setting aside the question of whether being the curator would establish notability, I can't find verifiable WP:RS that indicate he was the actual curator. The best that I could find was [[3]] or [[4]] which indicate someone else was the curator. His own bio says he "Proposed and collaborated on the 2015 National Pavilion of the Seychelles. La Biennale di Venezia. 56th International Art Exhibition" which would seem to back that up. Maybe TOOSOON, so I am happy if it is recreated in the future, but only with WP:RS and without puffed up claims. Theredproject (talk) 22:10, 25 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment These [5] may or may not help. They were scanned and provided to me by a friend of the subject when I was trying to write the article and asked if they had anything. The Master ---)Vote Saxon(--- 02:00, 28 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

What's the connection to Thomas Darnell (artist)? You're linking to the archive.org page of Thomas Darnell, who you called a friend just now, but you are also the creator of the Thomas Darnell (artist) Wikipedia page. Something is not right there. 104.163.147.121 (talk) 02:29, 28 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Reading comprehension must not be your strong suit. I said the sources were provided by "a friend of the subject". The subject of the article under discussion here is Nitin Shroff, not me. And obviously Darnell knows him, or he wouldn't have attempted to provide sources when I asked him. Your constant Wikistalking of me is becoming tiresome. The Master ---)Vote Saxon(--- 03:43, 28 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It's weird how you pulled those refs from a "friend of the subject" out of thin air, and that you also created a page on wiki for said friend. It's pretty plain what is going on here, and no amount of personal attacks (I can't read, I'm a stalker, whatever) will help to climb out of that hole. Have a great day!104.163.147.121 (talk) 04:15, 28 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't "pull them out of thin air", I asked for them. Have you skipped your medication? The Master ---)Vote Saxon(--- 04:26, 28 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Who did you ask? How did you know to ask for them? What is your connection to the subject or this friend of the subject? My reading comprehension is pretty good, but it doesn't appear you've actually answered those questions. --Calton | Talk 17:00, 28 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I initially typed out an explanation, but reconsidered as an AfD doesn't seem the right venue for a discussion of how I discovered a couple of artists and then obtained third-party sources about them. And I'm sure that no matter what I say, my words will be twisted to mean something else. I'm really not interested in participating in this any further. The Master ---)Vote Saxon(--- 18:24, 28 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete unless some much stronger evidence of notability is forthcoming. Even the claims being made are pretty weak. --Calton | Talk 17:00, 28 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete This article is quite misleading. Shroff did have one work exhibited along with those of 77 other artists at a Venice Biennale collateral event in 2013, not part of the official Biennale. This does not pass 4.b of WP:Artist: "The person's work (or works) has been a substantial part of a significant exhibition." (my bolding). It comprehensively fails 4.a, 4.c and 4.d as well a criteria 1, 2, and 3 and WP:ANYBIO. Independent in-depth coverage of him as a person and/or his works is nonexistent. Although he may well have proposed a Seychelles Pavilion for the 2015 Biennale and was described in one 2014 press release as "a curator at the Venice Art Biennale 2015", he definitely wasn't the curator at the 2015 Seychelles Pavillion, nor was he exhibited there. The two artists selected were George Camille and Leon Radegonde. The curators were Sarah MacDonald and Victor Schaub Wong – see [6].

Another misleading sentence which I have since amended was "His work has been covered in Airlife Magazine". First of all Airlife is a give-away magazine put out by Montpellier Airport. Secondly and most importantly, it did not "cover his work". (I've now added a link in the reference to a copy of the magazine.) It was an article about a hotel and had one sentence which said: "[Its] exhibition space devoted to contemporary art has had exhibitions of artists such as Leon Radegonde and Nitin Shroff." That's all. Two other exhibitions are mentioned in the WP article. The Context Gallery in Northern Ireland is a small gallery situated inside a theatre and shows work by "emerging artists" [7]. As for the exhibition at Birla Academy of Art and Culture, there's no way of verifying this since the so-called reference is not a reference at all, it merely repeats the claim which it is referencing. Consequently, there is no way of knowing how many artists participated and which, if any of his works were included. This is all that's available on Shroff at the Birla Academy site. In any case, there appear to be no reviews of these exhibitions or his work or published catalogs. He's had a few more exhibitions, but all at very minor galleries/venues, e.g. [8], Finally why is his birth date given as 1967? According to this, he was born in 1977. Voceditenore (talk) 15:30, 29 March 2018 (UTC) (Updated by Voceditenore (talk) 08:30, 30 March 2018 (UTC))[reply]

The actual page for Air Life Magazine (also created by The Master) deserves its own AfD as it has no notability as a source or publication.104.163.147.121 (talk) 02:15, 31 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I have merged and redirected Airlife Magazine to a section in Montpellier–Méditerranée Airport and left a rationale at Talk:Airlife Magazine. Voceditenore (talk) 09:59, 31 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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