Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nishat Nawar Salwa

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The result was delete. The content has been moved to Draft:Nishat Nawar Salwa. ansh 666 20:04, 10 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Nishat Nawar Salwa[edit]

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Winner of Miss World Bangladesh is probably notable. Runner up is not. DGG ( talk ) 09:23, 27 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Note- Nishat Nawar Salwa is enough notable for staying in wikipedia & the article is written with enough and trusted news source.
- She has a large fan base.
- She has a significant cult following.
- The person has played a major role in creating a national film.
- The person has made a widely recognized (miss world bangladesh runner up title).
- There are many model and actress of bangladesh articles are staying in wikipedia whom are not received any awards or nominations.
- He has been writing enough in the newspaper.
- All the references to the article are written about her.
- She appears in now several television show.
- She is a actress before gotten miss world award 2018.
- She and Jannatul Ferdous Oishee were gone viral and trend in social media for a long time because of the Discussion-criticism of the arrangement of the program. Nahal (talk) 16:15, 27 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, unless problems with sources. The deletion rational is unconvincing. This article has 19 sources. To show the WP:GNG notability guidelines are not met, one would have to argue the sources are trivial or unreliable. BenKuykendall (talk) 17:36, 27 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The keep rationale seems to be "we have many that are as bad, or even worse". DGG ( talk ) 06:43, 28 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: One of the 19 references has the URL bracu.ac.bd/sites/default/files/registrar/exam_seat_plan/Summer-2018/ENG113.pdf - a PDF with one page about the seat plan of an English Poetry exam in 2018. Thirteen of the 19 references require fluency in the Bengali script and language. None of the 19 references offer a wikilink for the publisher. "Large fan base" and a "significant cult following" and "gone viral and trend in social media" would be compelling reasons for a delete, please suggest something else for a keep, how about a photo for the fashion queen, or is it TOOSOON? –84.46.53.249 (talk) 08:12, 28 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
keep, she is a notable model from Bangladesh and a rising actress . She had coverage on bangladeshi printing media. So if we want, the trivial source problem could be solved. ferdous 04:44, 29 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"a rising actress" has a definite meaning, it means "not yet notable as an actress."

It is claimed above she won Miss World. This is not the case. She did not win even Miss World Bangladesh. She was a runner-up. Only the winner is notable. Had she won, I would not have nominated the article for AfD.

and I agree with the i.p. editor above: "cult following" is a reason to be very careful before accepting notability. If I were closing an afd, I would completely discount any argument that includes this, because it shows no awareness of WP policy. Only policy based arguments count. DGG ( talk ) 18:16, 1 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

keep Maffeth.opiana ( talk ) 13:07, 1 June 2019 (UTC) — Maffeth.opiana (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
keep--Miss world Bangladesh 2018 1st runner up doesn't means enough for notable, but she is notable as an actress from Bangladesh and has no problem with her source Anupam (talk) 19:36, 02 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: None of the "keep" !votes so far gives a policy-based rationale, instead resorting to WP:ILIKEIT and WP:ITSNOTABLE. Unless sufficient in-depth reliable sources van be unearthed, this most likely will be deleted.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Randykitty (talk) 15:51, 3 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

DELETE - These citations are awful regardless of how many there are. Celebrity news churn isn't notability. These are trivial mentions, nothing more, e.g. she was named runner-up, she's in a movie yet to be made, she flew to the US (and incidentally, I searched on a NY Bangladesh news site and came up with nothing). Several of the articles merely repeat the same 'news'. The Daily Sun piece looks like it came from an OCR'd copy. [19][24][22] Using ten citations to state that she is getting a role in an upcoming movie doesn't make her a notable actress, nor does using three that mention she was the runner up in a pageant make her notable. First runner-up isn't an award. A seating plan?

WP:NACTOR specifies 'multiple notable films' when she doesn't have one yet. WP:BASIC states that coverage 'must be more than trivial'. WP:HITS specifies that undue weight should not be given to matters related to popular culture, 'popularity is not notability'. And that some subjects, "…May be on 700 pages and might still not be considered 'existing' enough to show any notability, for Wikipedia's purposes." WP:TOOSOON Two sentences is not a biography. Give her a chance to actually get her career underway before you try and write it. ogenstein (talk) 06:36, 4 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep-- She is notable model and actress. She has also an award. Jubair Sayeed Linas (talk) 12:28, 4 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete a failed beauty queen, and not notable in anything else.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:52, 5 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – First of all, Johnpacklambert, that's a little too harsh of a thing to say about a WP:BLP. Let's remember the article subjects are innocent victims of our deletion discussions, they don't deserve to be trashed. Coming in second place in one pageant doesn't make a person a "failed beauty queen", anyway. But I agree with JPL here (as I often do) that the article should be deleted. The keep !votes above are highly unconvincing. The number of sources doesn't matter. That she is an actress, even a popular or famous one, also doesn't matter. "Cult following" isn't automatic notability, either. Many of the keep !votes have very low edit counts and perhaps do not fully understand Wikipedia's notability guidelines, which I hope the closer pays attention to. The article is WP:REFBOMBed, but going through the sources, including the foreign-language ones with Google Translate, I see not one single source that would count as significant coverage sufficient to meet WP:BASIC. They all seem to be passing mentions. Unless someone can demonstrate WP:THREE examples of sources that would meet BASIC, this article should be deleted. – Levivich 05:07, 5 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete When I hear “runner-up” I hear “un-notable”. If you didn’t win, you didn’t win! Nothing to write about then. Trillfendi (talk) 15:42, 9 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: @DGG: I think the article was important enough, since WP:GNG has not passed. That's why I want to draft this page. This article may be deleted, but i hope after the next six months or a year, it will be re-registered any others Bangladeshi contributor again because she is known as actress form Bangladesh. when released of her two Bangladeshi films, I think this article will be acceptable for notable.--Nahal (talk) 15:07, 10 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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