Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nines (card game)

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The result was delete. Sandstein 09:16, 14 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Nines (card game)[edit]

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This page was started in 2007 by an editor who "created it from scratch". It has never been sourced and I can find no trace of a game called Nines at all in American or British card game literature. There are games called Nines online, but not with these rules. It appears therefore to be completely non-notable and even the original creation comment suggests WP:OR. The article has been tagged as having no sources for 9 years and I gave notice that this could be put up for deletion over 18 months ago and there's been zero response. My sense is that this should have been deleted years ago.Bermicourt (talk) 17:07, 6 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Games-related deletion discussions. Spiderone 17:22, 6 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Deleteper nom...should have deleted it nine years ago. Kolma8 (talk) 18:11, 7 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment "Nines" is plainly a variant of "Manni" @ Pagat. If the article is deleted (which I'm not advocating for or against) it might be well to send John McLeod a copy of the original rules first. Perhaps they will be of no use to him, having no clear provenance, but who knows? Phil wink (talk) 21:15, 8 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. I'll do that as I'm in regular contact with John. I'll also copy the article temporarily to my User pages in case it gets deleted before he's had a chance to comment. As a rule, I don't think John publishes material on pagat.com that is unsourced, but it may be already in the pipeline. Bermicourt (talk) 17:28, 9 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. The only source I could find for this is catsatcards.com, which I would not consider to be a reliable source. Even if it were considered reliable, it would still only be a single source and not the multiple sources required by GNG. While the generic name does make searching for sources more difficult, being tagged as unsourced for over 9 years is more than enough time allowed for any obscure sources to come to light. Lowercaserho (talk) 11:42, 9 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Okay, so John McLeod has just confirmed that he has heard that this game is played in eastern Canada and so it gets a brief mention on pagat.com under Card Games in Canada. As well as the catsatcards link he sent through two others in the French language (the game looks like it may be played in Quebec): one on a Canadian Cribbage site and the other here. I'm not convinced they qualify as reliable sources, albeit there seems to be some evidence that this is a real game and played regionally in Canada. If the consensus is that the sources are good enough, I'm willing to withdraw this nom and add the sources to the article. What do others think? Bermicourt (talk) 19:22, 9 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I would consider the pagat.com link to be reliable but not significant in its coverage, and the others to be significant but not reliable. My French is rusty but they both look like personal websites as far as I can tell. Based on this, I still think this doesn't meet our notability standards and would still advocate deletion. Lowercaserho (talk) 01:08, 12 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.