Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nigerian Institute of American Football (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Move and rescope. Withdrawing to move and rescope. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 16:42, 16 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Nigerian Institute of American Football[edit]

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Speedy renomination after no-consensus close.

Arguments for keep in previous AfD were weak, and sources produced were unreliable, trivial, or both. As I said in the previous AfD, I would be fine with a redirect to IFAF Africa or other suitable target. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 14:02, 16 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Organizations, American football, and Nigeria. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 14:02, 16 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
~~Keep or~~ Move and rescope to American football in Nigeria. The NIAF is the governing body for American football in Nigeria, and, as established in the AfD that just closed, the topic of American football in Nigeria is clearly notable. If there were another umbrella title for "American football in Nigeria" or "Gridiron football in Nigeria", I would be fine with a move. As it stands, this is the only article that covers the topic. The key point is that the content is notable, whether we keep the article under the umbrella of the national governing body or move it to a more comprehensive title like American football in Nigeria. 15:23, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

No one is arguing that the topic of American football in Nigeria is not notable. This AfD is for an organization governing American football in Nigeria; although related, they are separate topics. It would help keep this discussion clear for new participants if arguments were limited to the notability of the Nigerian Institute of American Football. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 15:56, 16 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: For the reasons above, and the fact there is substantial content now on the page compared to when it was first nominated. To comment on renaming the article something like American football in Nigeria, if you search on Wikipedia "American football in France" you get a national team like this article is. Searching as well for "American football in Spain" you get another national team, again, like this article. This is the national American Football team of Nigeria, and I believe that still has notability as discussed in the last nomination. Renaming would not make sense as of now because there currently exists no overarching American Football in country series. Johnson524 (Talk!) 15:35, 16 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

American football in Nigeria is currently a redirect to this article. IMO it makes more sense for the redirect to operate in reverse as American football in Nigeria is the broader (and more clearly notable) topic. Also, Nigeria national American football team is simply a redirect to this article which could likewise be redirected to American football in Nigeria. Cbl62 (talk) 15:43, 16 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I agree the name is better and more clearly shows notability, and I would be all for it if a broader series could be established, but as far as I am aware there doesn't exist an "American Football in country" article series, meaning Nigeria would be the only article covering this topic that is not named after the nations national football team. Johnson524 (Talk!) 15:55, 16 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Per the last discussion, the "substantial content" on the page is based on unreliable sources that do not support a claim to notability for the topic of the Nigerian Institute of American Football. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 15:55, 16 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The article, which has grown to cover a broader range of American football in the nation, does not need to be deleted and clearly has room for expansion, as seen by the recent edits from @Cbl62 creating a notable players section. If renaming the article to American football in Nigeria better reflects the content of this article in the long run, then I would support that over the articles deletion when a good amount of coverage on the article still exists. Johnson524 (Talk!) 16:05, 16 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Premeditated Chaos: Do you agree that American football in Nigeria is notable? Do you oppose moving to that topic? Cbl62 (talk) 16:14, 16 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The current state of sourcing in the article is still terrible, but I'm far more willing to accept the argument that the general topic is likely to have sources. A move and rescope is acceptable, although if we do move it, the unreliable sourcing should be removed. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 16:22, 16 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Good deal. I'm adjusting my vote to "move and rescope" as I do think that's the best outcome. Cbl62 (talk) 16:28, 16 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.