Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nick Feakes

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Missvain (talk) 01:50, 5 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Nick Feakes[edit]

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Player does not qualify for WP:NRU (Major League Rugby is not a notable league under WP:NRU), only brief mentions and news of him signing for sides so does not qualify for WP:GNG either. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 20:27, 8 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. Spiderone 21:49, 8 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Spiderone 21:49, 8 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Rugby union-related deletion discussions. Spiderone 21:49, 8 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Seems to me to meet WP:GNG, as some sources amount to “substantial coverage” and not brief mentions. Moonraker (talk) 07:10, 9 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Don't believe any of the sources on the page or that I can find are 'substantial coverage', that are independent of the source/tournament. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 10:50, 9 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Moonraker, as has been discussed here can you show which of the sources in the article provide enough significant coverage for it to pass WP:GNG or if there are other sources that you believe enough to allow it to pass WP:GNG can you provide them. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 15:36, 10 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spartaz ^Humbug! 21:59, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Delete – While I commend User:Hack's additions, the most significant depth articles are both from Chris Dutton of the The Canberra Times, and both are about the surprise that he found success in the US after he did not in Australia ("Canberra kids going to America for... rugby?" and " "Forgotten Canberra junior..."). The rest are WP:ROUTINE transaction coverage listing the clubs he has been a member of without depth or mentions in simple match recaps. He gets the most mentions as in a WP:PRIMARY coverage in a weekly award segment. Yosemiter (talk) 23:03, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep - the Canberra Times mentions are sufficient independent sources to scrape over the line for notability. Deus et lex (talk) 10:20, 23 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Deus et lex: Per WP:GNG: Multiple publications from the same author or organization are usually regarded as a single source for the purposes of establishing notability. I do agree that subject is very borderline though, and much better than many of the other MLR players currently up for deletion. Yosemiter (talk) 17:28, 23 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. No solid reason has been given to justify the deletion of this content while valid alternatives exist. If he is not worthy of a standalone article this can be redirected somewhere. duffbeerforme (talk) 13:36, 23 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Duffbeerforme, please can you explain what the 'valid alternatives' would be, the player does not pass notability guidelines for rugby players at WP:NRU and whether or not he passes general notability guidelines at WP:GNG is certainly up for debate. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 13:44, 23 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Feakes is mentioned in New Orleans Gold, List of 2018–19 Major League Rugby transfers, 2019 Major League Rugby season‎. Pick the best target and redirect there. duffbeerforme (talk) 13:48, 23 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Is a redirect really suitable here, the player has only played a few games for NOLA Gold, and the other two are just list pages, its not as if he won player of the season or any awards in a that season either. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 13:53, 23 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This is not a suitable redirect topic per WP:XY. Yosemiter (talk) 14:13, 23 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

~~Keep~~ since subject comfortably passes criterion #1 of WP:NRU, which demands that the rugby union player must have played for a "high performance Union" at any time, while a footnote lists the countries whose unions are included in that category, amongst which is the U.S. Subject is a squad member of and has appeared playing for the New Orleans Gold who compete in the U.S. Major League Rugby. End of story. -The Gnome (talk) 19:09, 23 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The Gnome, This is incorrect, High Performance Union's relate to national teams not club sides. The player hasn't represented any international side, henceforth #1 is irrelevant. The issue is over #2 which relates to professional rugby competition (which New Orleans Gold plays in Major League Rugby). Major League Rugby isn't listed here, therefore the player doesn't qualify for WP:NRU. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 19:32, 23 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Rugbyfan22 is correct. I change my suggestion to Delete on account of subject failing indeed criterion #2 of WP:NRU. -The Gnome (talk) 20:23, 23 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 01:14, 26 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete the SMH article actually is the best coverage I've seen of any US based rugby player, but it's not enough to make him notable - it's just a feature article on a curiosity, that an Aussie could be playing rugby in the US. None of the other coverage is significant, which is in line with our consistent showing that Major League Rugby does not get enough secondary independent reliable coverage to have articles on all of its players, and he's done nothing else that has earned GNG-qualifying coverage. SportingFlyer T·C 13:27, 28 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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