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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. j⚛e deckertalk 15:13, 8 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Nichole Galicia[edit]

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Something is just not right here. As explained in more detail on the talk page, from 27 July 2006 until 8 February 2013 this article existed under the title Nichole Robinson. It was facing proposed deletion until I found sources (notably, a feature in the Spanish newspaper La Voz de Galicia [1]) stating that Nichole Robinson is the same actress now known as Nichole Galicia, who had a role in Django Unchained. Based on all that information, on 8 February 2013 I moved the article to Nichole Galicia with a redirect from Nichole Robinson and added references to some of the recent articles about her.

Since then, a number of IP and SPA editors have come to the page asserting that Nichole Robinson and Nichole Galicia are not the same person. But if they are not, then we do not have sufficient reliable sources here to show notability, because all but one of the sources refer to work performed under both names. The notability of the subject is marginal in any case, but if the earlier "Nichole Robinson" roles are excluded, there really isn't much of a case to keep the article. Of the four cited sources, three of them mention roles played under both names: in addition to the piece from La Voz de Galicia, the Ebony article mentions her earlier roles in Huff and Love Don't Cost a Thing[2], and the Uptown article lists Love Don’t Cost A Thing and Dirty[3]. There's no credit for Nichole Galicia in any of those projects, so removing the name Nichole Robinson from the article while allowing the credits to remain leaves us with a seriously inaccurate article.

There is a related discussion [4] at the Help Desk. Wikipedia:Help desk#BLP inaccuracies. Both there and on the talk page, an editor identifying herself as Nichole Galicia has asked for deletion of this article due to inaccuracies.

The bottom line: if the cited sources aren't accurate, we are left with a failure of verifiability and the article should be deleted. Arxiloxos (talk) 20:00, 16 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:46, 17 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:47, 17 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose: I think its the same person trying to re-invent themselves and dump their history, a bit like how Tom Hanks will never talk about BIG. The internet archive of Nicholerobinson.com (Bio section) lists the disputed films/roles and also states her name as Nichole Galicia. If they are two separate people they need a good publicist to distinguish them from one another as Nicole Robinson also has an IQ of 183 the same as Nicole Galicia. - X201 (talk) 16:05, 17 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
That possibility has occurred to me more than once, but in that case I'm inclined to favor deletion under WP:BLPREQUESTDELETE, which allows deletion of an article where the relatively unknown subject requests it. I can anticipate discussion of whether her notability is sufficiently marginal to qualify under that clause. But deletion would be better, at least, than leaving the article in an inaccurate condition where credits are listed under a name for which no credit actually exists, or where substantial information from reliable sources is excluded without good cause. --Arxiloxos (talk) 17:10, 17 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
If she's not notable at all, then I'm OK with deletion on that count. The angle I was worried about was a process of delete this article, then up pops a new article that is notable and only covers the post Django career. - X201 (talk) 07:53, 18 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, that thought has also crossed my mind, and I agree with you 100%. --Arxiloxos (talk) 20:07, 18 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Except that, as explained above, there is no "Nichole Galicia" in any of those other films and TV shows, so that information's accuracy is in doubt.--Arxiloxos (talk) 23:20, 20 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see how this is relevant to whether the article titled Nichole Galicia should be deleted. Most likely, she changed her name; perhaps she got married or divorced; what's the big deal? Here is one source saying she simply changed her name from Robinson to Galicia. Why this has anything to do with a deletion discussion is beyond me, since the actress/model is clearly notable. I don't see how it calls into question the accuracy of the entire article.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 00:26, 21 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
As explained above, there has been a long string of editors (some of them identifying themselves as the subject) who have contested this, most recently at the Help Desk and previously at [5] and [6] and [7] and [8] and [9] and [10] and [11] and [12] and [13] and [14]. --Arxiloxos (talk) 00:55, 21 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
A simple solution is let's leave out any mention of the word Robinson in this article. Then, Nichole Galicia, regardless of any past names or associations, regardless of any past confusion, is highly notable. Would that end the fuss? In addition, we can not know for sure whether anybody identifying themselves as one or more of these persons is the real person, unfortunately; rather, let's stick with the one name, and the references, and that, said the cat, is that.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 10:47, 21 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
In addition, please consider deleting this redirect page from Nichole Robinson to Nichole Galicia. It is recommended that the closing admin delete the redirect page since this appears to be one more splinter causing this article inflammation.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 11:39, 21 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
No, that is not a suitable solution; it would leave us with a blatantly inaccurate article. It is clear that no one named Nichole Galicia appeared in any the pre-2009 movies. If we leave out the references to Nichole Robinson while keeping the credits that belong to her, we leave the article with a serious problem. At the risk of repeating what I've been saying all along: Either Nichole Robinson is the same person as Nichole Galicia (as stated in the apparently reliable La Voz de Galicia article but disputed by various editors) or none of the articles that refer to older credits can be accepted as accurate. --Arxiloxos (talk) 18:13, 21 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Arxiloxos; that would then make it an article without coverage of the whole subject. The La Voz de Galicia article, and the NicoleRobinson.com website support the fact that Robinson and Galicia are the same person. There are only two possible correct outcomes to this, Delete the whole article as per the nom, or Keep the article with the Galicia and Robinson content intact. - X201 (talk) 09:36, 22 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Alright, then, if it is decided that we must keep both names in the article, Robinson and Galicia, and there is a source saying they're the same person, then so be it; but it seems to me then this issue will not be resolved this way, with constant fuss about the two names when the current name -- Nichole Galicia -- is the most important one. In my view, this is like the Shakespeare play Much Ado About Nothing.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 11:02, 22 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, --Mdann52talk to me! 07:25, 26 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete With the accuracy of the information in question, we should err on the side of caution and delete the article until people can come up with a solidly sourced one.John Pack Lambert (talk) 05:42, 1 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment Without the Robinson credits, we have just one film. That means a failure of the notability guidelines for entertainers, which is at least 2 significant roles in major films.John Pack Lambert (talk) 05:46, 1 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
      • Comment. The Robinson issue is irrelevant. The reliable sources refer to a Nichole Galicia who is clearly notable given these sources.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 16:16, 1 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, I think that the evidence makes it pretty clear that they're both the same person, but even if they are I think that with only one notable role it's stretching it a bit to say she meets WP:ENTERTAINER. Lankiveil (speak to me) 13:29, 7 July 2014 (UTC).[reply]
  • Delete marginal notability and the, not entirely disproved, concerns about the accuracy of biographical info in the article, give me enough cause for concern to suggest we should delete this one. Bellerophon talk to me 07:51, 8 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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