Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nguyễn Tế-Công

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The result was delete. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:10, 1 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Nguyễn Tế-Công[edit]

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Non-notable martial artist - notability not supported other than a reference to a now defunt school website. Peter Rehse (talk) 17:25, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: None of the links in the page work but a quick google search bring up quite a few hits, which suggests that the topic might pass WP:GNG. I can't read Vietnamese so I have no idea if these are reliable sources and to what extent they discuss the topic. I did a quick search in English by removing diacritics and found some promising sources including two books on the topic of Wingchun "Vietnamese Wingchun - Vinhxuan" and "Complete Wing Chun: The Definitive Guide to Wing Chun's" both of which mention him. The first devotes several paragraphs to him. The article has problems but I don't think notability is one of them. He founded Vietnamese Wingchun. Notability is about what impact the topic has on the world. I'm sure someone with Vietnamese skills could find some good reliable sources to back up the claim and add plenty of important details. - Metal lunchbox ^(talk) 12:48, 16 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Nothing to show he meets WP:MANOTE. The number of ghits doesn't matter--see WP:GOOGLEHITS and I got "404" messages for all of the article's sources.204.126.132.231 (talk) 16:45, 16 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Let me clarify. Number of google hits is a dumb argument. I mean that those search results are a tantalizing lead with which anyone who can read vietnamese could potentially establish notability. There's potential. Can sources be found to establish notability is a valid question and the answer I propose is "maybe". - Metal lunchbox ^(talk) 16:30, 25 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral for now He's only mentioned once in "Complete Wing Chun: The Definitive Guide to Wing Chun's" and I don't see how he only has several paragraphs of coverage in "Vietnamese Wingchun" (a book I couldn't find an online copy of) if he founded Wing Chun in Vietnam. One article says he opened his second school 18 years after his first--that's not exactly spreading like weeds. If it can be reliably shown that he's truly responsible for Wing Chun in Vietnam, he's probably notable.Mdtemp (talk) 16:57, 18 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 02:01, 23 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Delete I checked his page on the Vietnamese Wikipedia and it has some of the same sources and the same problems--it doesn't have significant independent coverage of him or anything independent that supports the claim of bringing Wing Chun to Vietnam.Jakejr (talk) 17:57, 29 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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