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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus to delete. Without prejudice to a trim and move, as proposed below. -- Y not? 15:23, 28 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

New Wine Church[edit]

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No reliable sources. Only recently established. Luciandrei (talk) 19:58, 30 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. Sir Rcsprinter, Bt (chinwag) @ 22:58, 30 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. Sir Rcsprinter, Bt (yak) @ 22:59, 30 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Keep -- A Church with 3000 members in UK is not insignificant. From the names, I assume that this is an African Pentecostal Church. It is not obviously associated with New Wine, the conference. If I have an issue with this article, it is whehter the church is notable, given that the consensu is that most are not. Peterkingiron (talk) 12:35, 31 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Changed vote. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:18, 18 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, as it does not appear that the church is notable. Consider how many of the references are the church's, for example. That said, it is a relatively new congregation, so the usual caveats may apply - if it grows or starts some notable ministry, and if it gets coverage in reliable sources, then an article might be appropriate. But we are not there now. UltraExactZZ Said ~ Did 12:47, 4 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Courcelles 04:58, 7 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as a large independent African Pentecostal church in the UK. Coverage includes a mention in Pentecostalism and Development: Churches, NGOs and Social Change in Africa (Dena Freeman, ed., Palgrave Macmillan, 2012) and Regeneration and renewal: the church in new and changing communities (Malcolm Torry, Canterbury Press, 2007) as well as some news coverage. The building is certainly notable and gets coverage in a number of books on the architecture of London. -- 202.124.75.3 (talk) 03:40, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Copied from the article Talk page (Keep): New Wine Church should not be deleted because it is one of the top 10 largest Pentecostal churches in London. They bought a very large cinema in a major city centre which is steeped in history. This fact is sourced in the article. Also they are involved in significant community initiatives, which fact is also sourced. Though slightly smaller, it is of the same calibre as the Kingsway International Christian Centre (KICC)Akpantue (talk) 22:15, 27 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete or Move to Coronet Cinema (Greenwich) and keep only History of the Building section. The building is notable as it is listed and has independent sources discussing it. The church is not notable - it fails notability at WP:ORGDEPTH, and as all the church sources are from its own website fails WP:RS. SheffGruff (talk) 01:04, 19 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Several book sources were listed above. What makes you say they are not WP:RS? -- 203.171.197.26 (talk) 09:19, 20 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The book sources are reliable - I was referring to the sources on the article itself. If the book sources give more than a passing mention to this church as per WP:ORGDEPTH then the page should be kept and edited to include the information. SheffGruff (talk) 13:45, 20 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
OK, but we don't base notability decisions on the sources in the article, but on sources that exist. "Needs editing" is not a reason to delete an article. -- 202.124.89.4 (talk) 10:03, 21 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, SarahStierch (talk) 17:05, 14 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:31, 15 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep but remove the parishcruft; although the fact that New Wine Church is for Alcoholics Anonymous - if sourced - is sufficiently ironic to be notable. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 05:17, 21 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Non-notable; sources are self-published, passing mentions or WP articles. Miniapolis 20:35, 27 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The book sources listed above demonstrate notability and are not self-published. -- 202.124.74.11 (talk) 00:20, 28 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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