Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/New Market Mall

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The result was delete. Non-notable mall as evidenced by consensus. Philg88 ^♦talk 06:06, 14 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

New Market Mall[edit]

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No evidence of notability; no context (the article doesn't even say where this mall is or was located); no references; no indication of whether it still exists or not - my guess is not. I think they might have meant this center in Columbus, Ohio, [1] listed at DeadMalls.com. If that's the one, there were a few local news stories in 2011 about possible redevelopment. And I found a 2014 story saying that a hotel is being built on the former site of the Columbus New Market Mall,[2] confirming my hunch that this place has quietly gone out of business (if this is the same mall the article is talking about). (I'm striking these comments since the article has been improved to meet some of these concerns, although it doesn't at this time have the information that the mall has apparently been demolished.) Regardless of all this speculation, it was never more than a tiny strip mall and did not meet our criteria for notability of a mall. MelanieN (talk) 22:03, 28 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I forgot to link to the relevant section of Common Outcomes: WP:NPLACE. --MelanieN (talk) 22:52, 28 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ohio-related deletion discussions. Jinkinson talk to me 22:08, 28 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Shopping malls-related deletion discussions. Jinkinson talk to me 22:08, 28 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Non-notable trivial mall. References do not meet the requirements of WP:RS. -- RoySmith (talk) 01:36, 29 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comment An alternate search term is "Victoria Place". Unscintillating (talk) 01:36, 30 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

What do you base that on? Victoria Place in Columbus appears to be an apartment complex, not a mall. --MelanieN (talk) 02:01, 30 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) Keep I found fifteen references on Proquest for "New Market Mall", five for "Victoria Place", and on EbscoHost mobile I found three for "New Market Mall". All of these references have at least some WP:GNG coverage. This was one of the sad cases in which an historic downtown district was razed to build a new shopping mecca, only to see the dreams dashed, with concern that the character of the downtown had been lost. There is material about two closely related businesses. La Cave du Vin was located in Victoria Place and was owned by one of the people who tried to remake the mall, and was noted in Cleveland as having the best wine selection in the state of Ohio. Carlisle's is sometimes considered to be next door, but other times is considered to be an anchor for the mall. At one point, the mall owner started to wall up the entrance to Carlisle's from the indoor mall before a judge stepped in.

For the Columbus Dispatch, they only provide the snippets. Here are a couple of the citations, more on request:

KUEHNER, J. C. (1994, Jan 30). NOSTALGIC VIEW OF A VISION OF FUTURE `. . .THE CHARACTER OF THE TOWN WAS DESTROYED WHEN THOSE BUILDINGS WERE TORN DOWN.'. The Plain Dealer Retrieved from http://search.proquest.com/docview/291590016

Business First-Columbus. June 6, 1997, Vol. 13 Issue 41, p1, Publisher: American City Business Journals, Inc., "Don M. Casto Organization has extended its Northwest reach with the purchase of New Market Mall at Sawmill Road and I-270. Casto, through an affiliate, bought the 193,000-square-foot enclosed..."

Unscintillating (talk) 02:05, 30 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. On further searching: There was a New Market Mall which was later renamed Victoria Place,[3]] but it was in Painesville, in Lake County (northeast corner of the state of Ohio). The New Market Mall which is the subject of this article was in Columbus, in Franklin County, in the middle of the state. Hundreds of miles apart. You need to look harder at your sources to see if they are actually about a mall in Columbus. --MelanieN (talk) 02:18, 30 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica¹⁰⁰⁰ 11:40, 6 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Non-notable mall; does not meet GNG or any other applicable criteria. Epeefleche (talk) 20:14, 6 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Limiting the search for the mall in Columbus, Ohio (thanks, MelanieN), it's a non-notable mall. --Larry (talk) 21:17, 6 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comment No one has requested more citations, and of the two references I listed, one shows that the mall in Columbus was an enclosed mall. Only MelanieN has provided any repeatable search results. No one has disputed that the other New Market Mall in Ohio is wp:notable. The content contributor who created the article has not made any more edits to Wikipedia.

Rather than Wikipedians depending on MelanieN to disambiguate this topic going forward, I suggest that this page become a dab page. Interestingly, the fictional Al Bundy worked in New Market Mall. I also recall another New Market Mall, possibly in Virginia. Unscintillating (talk) 02:18, 14 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

DAB page for what??? The mall in Columbus isn't notable. The other mall is marginal; if you think there should be an article about it, you could completely rewrite this article so it's about the mall in Painesville, and see if it passes muster as notable. Or better, you could let this one be blown up and then create an article about the one in Painesville. But we certainly aren't going to want a DAB page for a couple of malls, neither of which have articles, and one of which has been shown not to deserve an article. --MelanieN (talk) 03:52, 14 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Who is "we", and why is this a certainty? Unscintillating (talk) 04:39, 14 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

That will be determined by whether anyone else supports your suggestion. And also by WP:DAB, where it says "Disambiguation in Wikipedia is the process of resolving the conflicts that arise when a single term is ambiguous—when it refers to more than one topic covered by Wikipedia. (A "topic covered by Wikipedia" is either the main subject of an article, or a minor subject covered by an article in addition to the article's main subject.)" Where are the articles, or the coverage, about these malls? --MelanieN (talk) 04:56, 14 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Columbus, Ohio already has a shopping section, so first move the current article to New Market Mall (Columbus) and then merge a sentence and redirect to Columbus, Ohio. Likewise, Painesville, Ohio could use a mention about this topic, and it would then only be necessary to create a redirect, New Market Mall (Painesville). The last step is to expand the current topic (which at this point is a redirect) into a DAB page with two entries. Unscintillating (talk) 05:55, 14 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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