Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Never have I ever

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. WP:NFT does not apply; also, many of the delete "votes" fail to establish why the topic is non-notable. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 16:48, 2 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Never have I ever[edit]

Non-notable drinking game, no sources. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Many otters • One bat • One hammer)} 04:19, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. WP:NFT. Niteshift36 (talk) 06:11, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Begging your pardon, but WP:NFT is for something that only a few people know about. This game is something that is well known in the general public and there are a lot of Google search results for it-- are you sure you've never heard of it? OfficeGirl (talk) 16:24, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Begging your pardon.....it was made up in someones garage/dorm/basement/bar. The article smells of WP:OR and lacks real notability.Niteshift36 (talk) 07:37, 26 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nominator. Not notable at all.--The Legendary Sky Attacker 06:21, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Might be worth a sentence in Drinking games but certainly no more. Manning (talk) 12:46, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Though the article needs TREMENDOUS work and citations to reliable sources, it is a classic game and well known. Someone with a little initiative just needs to set to work looking up the necessary material and removing the unsourced original research. OfficeGirl (talk) 14:59, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

PS- I found some cursory sources in less than 90 seconds with a Google search. There are numerous other drinking games that have individual articles and there is no doubt that this CAN be developed properly according to Wikipedia standards. OfficeGirl (talk) 15:17, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I can find google hits......goggle hits arent the measuring stick of notability. Mentioning it on a blog generates a hit, but fails to meet our purposes. Plus the title of the game itself makes the searches harder. Instead of saying "I got hits", would you like to provide links to the ones that are reliable sources that we are looking for? As for the WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS reasoning....well, other drinking games are nominated for deletion too. Niteshift36 (talk) 07:37, 26 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Though the article needs work. I believe a variation of this drinking game was featured on the american TV show LOST but I can't find a source to verify that.
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Game-related deletion discussions. -- TexasAndroid (talk) 15:52, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete TV shows and blogs have to fill their content with ephemeral nonsense/fun. Being featured in a blog or TV show does not make a WP:MADEUP game notable. Given that no one can find a WP:SECONDARY source with an analysis of subject, it fails WP:GNG. Johnuniq (talk) 10:02, 28 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Googling this drinking game reveals 150 million hits on google. I believe deleting it would be giving up too early. There have to be SOME valid secondary sources among those 150 million webpages. Unless a diligent search for reliable sources is conducted and NO sources are found, I see no reason to give up and delete this article. This article was marked for deletion because of non-notability. I believe it's huge popularity is evidence enough that there is no cause for deleting this article. Imsome (talk) 20:46, 28 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep (but Stubbify) - It's mentioned in most books that cover the topic of drinking games. Here's what I came up with after the barest of searches:
- Barbas & Cullen. The Little Black Book of Party Games: The Essential Guide to Throwing the Best Bashes. 2006.
- Beane. Middlebury College College Prowler Off the Record. 2005 (and indeed many of the "College Prowler Off the Record" series)
- Cassel. Post Grad. 2009
- Marschall & Bannan. Crowd Breakers and Mixers 2. 2003.
- etc., etc., etc.

Being featured in most books on the topic of drinking games and several TV shows clearly demonstrates that WP:NFT does not apply. I'd need a much stronger argument than "never heard of it..." -Thibbs (talk) 20:12, 30 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep or ideally Merge into List of drinking games. I know Google is sketchy, but I feel it has received sufficient cultural standing to warrant a mention somewhere, and barring the aforementioned list this article is the best scenario. \ Backslash Forwardslash / {talk} 12:08, 2 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Actually, I've heard of it (it was portrayed in one of my favorite Family Guy episodes). Trying to invoke WP:NFT makes me suspect that Niteshift36 has never actually read the guideline; it is specifically about creating an article that an editor or their friends made up. I doubt very much that the person who created this article had anything to do with inventing the game. I'm curious if the nominator bothered to even check to see if there could be coverage of the game, just looking at Gnews shows the game covered by such sources as the Chicago Tribune, which states "One of the prime drinking games designed to combine alcohol and sex is called 'I Never,' also known to some as 'Never Have I Ever.'" There are dozens of references to the game in college publications as well, showing how prominent it is in universities. -- Atama ^chat 15:57, 2 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.