Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Narine Arakelian

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The result was delete. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 03:03, 2 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Narine Arakelian[edit]

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Straightaway PR/Advertising WP:PROMO. Fails to pass WP:GNG and WP:BIO and whatever one can add. As a nominator, I cannot comprehend and categorize this entity. Hence, calling for an AfD discussion. Hatchens (talk) 11:33, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, - Flori4nK ^{t • c} 15:27, 25 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as failing WP:NOTSPAM. I was about to soft delete it, but as it's pure promo and really bad, don't think the option of someone getting it back is a good idea. TonyBallioni (talk) 20:10, 25 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. --Devokewater @ 20:56, 25 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, does not meet WP:NARTIST, and WP:NOTPROMO. Coolabahapple (talk) 00:23, 26 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Being part of a national entry in the Venice biennale is a major accomplishment, and she's done it multiple times. There's plenty of media coverage for this giving her a pass of both WP:ARTIST and WP:GNG. Mostly it's about her work in the 58th biennale [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] but to save this from BIO1E here's a story from earlier: [7]. Probably if I could search and read Armenian I'd find a lot more. —David Eppstein (talk) 01:27, 26 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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~~Keep~~ Vote withdrawn - When this was first listed, I thought it should be deleted, ~~but David Eppstein has shown that despite the article's weaknesses and promotional tone, she is indeed notable, and passes GNG and NARTIST.~~ Netherzone (talk) 10:34, 26 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I have withdrawn my !vote. After looking at this article and checking the sourcing again and again, and it seems like it is a case of one notable show (and it's a good show, the VB, however she was not the only artist to represent Armenia, there were four others), everything else about the article seems unverifiable, bloggish, advertorial, PRish. I now think that it's a case of WP:TOOSOON. Netherzone (talk) 17:14, 30 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I would normally agree that the Venice Biennale is a clear indicator of notability, as is Manifesta. It should be possible to find sources that can sustain an article about an artist who participated in such an event. In this case, it's not so obvious. Some of the sources are absolutely horrendous. this was clearly written by a PR agent for example (I have evidence). Even after reading the article several times, I still struggle to understand what her work is, and what she actually showed where. It's a terrible mess. I'd support deletion because it is such a load of PR, but there is some underlying notability. Pretty much all the sources would have to be replaced though, and a thorough vetting of the claims needs to happen. A very commonly used promotional tactic is to claim someone exhibited at the Biennale when they exhibited during, but not in the Biennale (as is the case here too, in one instance). A very reluctant keep, premised on a really, really hard look and firm culling of promo, deception and a clear summary of what actual work she made. Vexations (talk) 16:55, 27 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Very interesting.... I did some googling and noticed that she was part of a "Collateral event" for Manifesta XII[8] which are a group of 71 events running parallel to the Manifesta 12 biennial that were selected from an international open call. I'm guessing that that is not the main exhibition that is curated. Netherzone (talk) 18:05, 27 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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