Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nanyue Yuan

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The result was keep. I have withdrawn the AfD, I'm at weak keep and there's clear consensus for retention. (non-admin closure) VickKiang (talk) 20:27, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Nanyue Yuan[edit]

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Non-notable, fails the artificial guideline requirement of WP:NGEO or WP:GNG. Current refs are non-RS, non-SIGCOV sites, a WP:BEFORE search revealed unreliable sites, 1, 2, 3. Previous convert to draft and tagging were challenged by article creator, who removed to mainspace, stating that cleanup garbage (waste of everyones time) per this diff, and described WaddlesJP13 and mine comments as garbage again, but the article had no active improvement and BEFORE revealed no more refs. VickKiang (talk) 01:59, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of China-related deletion discussions. VickKiang (talk) 01:59, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete no good sources can be found online, as per nom it fails WP:GNG and WP:NGEO. Keep now that references have been found.

echidnaLives - talk - edits 03:42, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

What is wrong with you people. This is a significant place. It is covered in other language Wikis. I plan to visit soon and can certainly uncover better sources. Deleting things just demotivates contributions. Do something useful and start an article instead of hassling contributors. prat (talk) 03:50, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
1. Wang, Rui 王蕊, ed. (2012-12-18). ""烧钱宫殿"番禺南粤苑：10公斤黄金打造厕所" ["Palace of Burning Money" Panyu Nanyue Yuan: 10 kilograms of gold to create a toilet]. People's Daily (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2022-10-19. Retrieved 2022-10-19 – via Sohu.
  There is a copy of the People Daily article on its website here^{Internet Archive}. The article notes from Google Translate: "... but Nanyue Garden in Panyu is even more burned in bundles. Panyu Nanyue Garden is positioned as a characteristic tourist attraction of the top garden treasures in South China. Construction started at the end of December 2007, which lasted one year and 10 months and cost more than RMB 200 million. It was grandly opened on 28 September 2009. The various art treasures displayed in Nanyueyuan are worth hundreds of millions of yuan. It is said that the toilets of Nanyueyuan used 10 kilograms of gold. When you walk into the park, you will see carved beams and painted buildings, treasures in the pavilion, landscape gardens, Lingnan architecture, and rare stone treasures."
2. "800万建个舒心阁其实它就是一公厕" [8 million to build a Shuxin Pavilion. It's actually a public toilet]. Dahe Daily (in Chinese). 2009-09-29. Archived from the original on 2022-10-19. Retrieved 2022-10-19.
  The article notes from Google Translate: "The Nanyueyuan Tourist Scenic Spot, invested by Baomo Garden, is located in Zini Village, Shawan Town, with a total investment of over 200 million yuan and an area of more than 100 mu, which is 'bigger than Baomo Garden'. Nanyue Garden takes advantage of the local landscape characteristics and integrates landscape gardens, Lingnan architecture, and rare stone treasures. There are large arches, Jiulongbi, Yile Pavilion, Huiyuan Pavilion and other gorgeous buildings in the park; There are 20 scenic spots such as Sound and Milky Rock, highlighting the characteristics of surprise, strangeness and danger. Tourists can also take the sightseeing elevator in the park to the highest point to overlook the scenery of the whole park and the scenery outside the park."
3. Huang, Luo 黄骆 (2018-01-11). "宝墨园南粤苑将两园合一" [Baomo Garden Nanyue Garden combines two gardens into one]. Guangzhou Daily (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2022-10-19. Retrieved 2022-10-19 – via Sina Corporation.
  The article notes from Google Translate about Nanyue Yuan: "The total area is about 9000 mu. The park is composed of lake and flower and tree area, pastoral ecological sightseeing area, Dafu Mountain Range Rover area, central scenic area, lawn and wilderness area, forest fun area, Shuiliao wild area and cultural and recreational area. A modern forest park in one."
4. "8个广东古典园林扑面而的来古朴岭南风(3)" [8 Cantonese Classical Gardens Come to the Ancient Lingnan Style (3)] (in Chinese). Sina Corporation. 2014-11-14. Archived from the original on 2022-10-19. Retrieved 2022-10-19.
  The article notes from Google Translate: "A large-scale landscape garden with fusion, artistic treasures and Lingnan gardens. Nanyue Garden is the "sister garden" of Baomo Garden, a famous garden in Lingnan. It is the deepening and extension of the construction of Baomo Garden. It shows the style of Shawan, a famous historical and cultural town and Yushan Mountain. But the difference from Baomo Garden is that Baomo Garden fully displays the charm of Lingnan water town, while Nanyue Garden focuses on the essence of Lingnan architectural art."
There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Nanyue Yuan (simplified Chinese: 南粤苑; traditional Chinese: 南粵苑) to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".
Cunard (talk) 04:52, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the refs! These might be convincing, echidnaLives and WaddlesJP13, do you think these would meet notability and would make you change your vote to keep? I don't feel as strongly about deletion now, if you all agree with Cunard I can maybe withdraw the nomination. VickKiang (talk) 05:02, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Cunard: I've added a couple of the refs into the article. Thanks for your time! VickKiang (talk) 05:06, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@VickKiang Now that I've seen these, of course I will change to keep. I didn't find much in an initial search but this is definitely enough. echidnaLives - talk - edits 05:14, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Keep as there are now references. Gusfriend (talk) 08:14, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per the references in the article. 𝕱𝖎𝖈𝖆𝖎𝖆 (talk) 14:58, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I think this draftification was a bit aggressive. Regardless, the article is now much better, thanks to Cunard. Ovinus (talk) 20:22, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep. There is clear consensus to keep the article, and IMO I'm at weak keep and will withdraw the AfD. Thanks Cunard for your work, I've added the sources hurriedly. However, optionally if you have the time to expand the article that would be great! VickKiang (talk) 20:26, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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