Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nan Greene Hunter

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The result was Delete. Hut 8.5 21:26, 21 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Nan Greene Hunter[edit]

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Non-notable subject that does not meet WP:BASIC or WP:MUSICBIO. Coverage found in searches for independent, reliable sources is limited to passing mentions and some name checks. Not finding any significant coverage in independent sources to qualify an article. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 22:56, 13 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete fails both MUSICBIO and ANYBIO; sources in article are lacking and my BEFORE fails to find anything that redeems it Chetsford (talk) 00:20, 14 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Although tagged with WikiProject New Zealand, there is nothing of interest to the NZ project. NealeFamily (talk) 00:53, 15 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- She was a missionary in New Zealand. The New Zealand project may want to ignore foriegners who served there as missionaries, but that seems narrow on their part.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:10, 15 August 2018 (UTC)new[reply]
  - Just be clear - she would not meet WP:GNG, WP:BASIC, or WP:ANYBIO at all in New Zealand. It is not the fact that she was a missionary - she is just a non-notable missionary in New Zealand having received no coverage at all in local media as far as I can find. NealeFamily (talk) 06:50, 15 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete did not hold a major leadership role in the Church, although she served as a missionary. And my searches found almost nothing in the way of sources. I did find "Eight distinguished BYU alumni honored for years of service," Deseret News; Salt Lake City, Utah [Salt Lake City, Utah]24 Apr 2009. It is just not enough. Searched for and failed to locate articles about the hymn she wrote, just a few videos of folks playing or singing it. Fails WP:GNG.E.M.Gregory (talk) 18:06, 15 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment A much better way to describe her postion in New Zealand is co-leader of a rotating group of about 150 missionaries at any given time. That is more than just "a missionary". Although mission presidents and their wives who co-preside with them are generally not notable for this. At least from the 1930s on when they began generally serving 3 year terms. A few people before that like John R. Moyle have their notability added to by being mission president, but generally they are notable for other things. Even Nephi Jensen would probably not have an article if it was not for his role in a state legislature.John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:00, 16 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the comments John. I took a look at the Category:American Mormon missionaries in New Zealand. From a quick sample of those mentioned, she does not seem to have the same level of merit needed to meet WP:BASIC. Most have notability from other fields. If I were taking it from a solely NZ perspective (that is assuming they had no other call to fame) Augustus Farnham and his fellow missionaries, who were first in the country, would meet the criteria based on their NZ mission being the first. Later ones would need to show something more notable than just being a missionary or in charge of a group of missionaries. Most religious organisations have people in that kind of role and they would not be notable in terms of Wiki's notability criteria unless there was something unique about them. NealeFamily (talk) 10:08, 16 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The notability argument really wrests on being a hymn writer, and weather Hunter's level of hymnwriting is notable. For what it is worth, about half the sourcing comes from the biography of her father-in-law, who clearly was notable, but that does not translate to her being notable, it does translate to her being sourceable.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:25, 19 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per above. Daask (talk) 18:03, 21 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per above. Walter Görlitz (talk) 18:09, 21 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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