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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎. A clear consensus among the policy based views here. Owen× ☎ 12:34, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Najmeddin Shariati[edit]

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non-notable, doesn't pass WP:NARTIST or perhaps even WP:SIGCOV User4edits (talk) 15:36, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 06:48, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Hello dear User4edits This article is about a remarkable person Najmeddin Shariati is one of the popular presenters of Iranian TV You can see that in this article I have mentioned many reliable sources and references from news agencies about this person Please reconsider and remove this article from the delete list Thanks M.sharaki (talk) 17:40, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Hi M.sharaki! It is not possible to remove this article from the delete list. Unless the nominator (User4edits) decides to withdraw the nominations, it is best to wait until around March 22 so that consensus would be established. Toadette (Let's discuss together!) 20:34, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hello dear editors I have corrected and edited all the flaws in this article And I added relevant reliable sources to it If you see any other fault in it, please fix it I hope that the relevant administrator (User4edits) will sum up as soon as possible and remove this article from the delete list Thanks to all of you M.sharaki (talk) 18:06, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, M.sharaki, User4edits is not an administrator but is the AFD nominator. An uninvolved editor or admin will close this after a consensus is found. If there are some sources that you believe establish this subject's notability, please mention them here, briefly, by providing a link so other editors can easily view them. That is the best argument you can make if you believe this article should be Kept. Liz Read! Talk! 21:05, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello dear Liz
Thank you for your attention
Regarding the article I created about this person, in the sources section, I mentioned 15 reliable sources from important and reliable Iranian news agencies that you can view and check.
This person is one of the famous presenters of Iranian TV and has been performing on Iranian TV for more than two decades
Thanks
See the sources of this article (Najmeddin Shariati)
Thanks M.sharaki (talk) 22:27, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Commment:
    • Reference [1] says This article is from the web page and is just a hobby.on the top.
    • [2] is IMDB (non-reliable)
    • [3] seems paid/promotional with Najmuddin Shariati Instagram: Najmuddin Shariati also has a personal page on Instagram that from time to time posts related to his personal mood or related to his professional field. You can also follow Najmuddin Shariati's Instagram page through [REDACTED username].
    • [4] from the previous website has similar content under different url and title. It also has the exactly same paragraph on Instagram username.
    • [5] discusses The Strange Resemblance of Najmuddin Shariati's Wife + Photo... where he posted a photo of him and his wife and child in cyberspace.
    • [6] is almost entirely he said this followed by paragraphs in quotes.
    • [7] is a student news agency.
    • [8] has no mention of the subject.
    • 15 is Young Journalist Club, Not sure about reliability or independence.
    • 14 is about the subject posting a video in Iraq.
    • 13 is a website launched in 2017.. The purpose of this site is to examine the most important issues discussed at three levels of domestic, regional and trans-regional without advocating for a particular political faction, based on the principles and criteria of the Islamic Revolution. Unsure about reliability and independence.
I do not find WP:GNG or WP:ANYBIO or WP:NARTIST being met. @M.sharaki. Thanks, Please feel free to ping/mention -- User4edits (T) 04:57, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your attention
Regarding your statements about references:
  • Reference [1]: According to you, we do not include this reference, although the biography of Najmeddin Shariati mentioned in it is correct and true.
  • [2]: According to you, we ignore IMDb and the reason I mentioned it was because I saw a similar case in other articles.
  • [3]: In this case, after mentioning the relevant matters, the author of the news only mentioned the name of Najmeddin Shariati's Instagram and it does not have a promotional aspect to say that he took money to advertise.
  • [4]: According to you, we ignore this case because the source of this news is the same as the source of the third reference
  • [5]: In this case, you only examined the photo, although in its text, it mentioned information about Najmeddin Shariati, and I cited that text, not the blank photo
  • [6]: I cited this case correctly and the text of the news is related to an interview with Najmeddin Shariati.
  • [7]: This news agency is called Student News Agency
Not that some students mention things in it for fun
This news agency is one of the most reliable Iranian news agencies, and its news is fully documented, and that's why I cited it.
  • [8]: Your statement is correct and we ignore it
  • 15: This case is the same as case number 7, the reason for which I mentioned
This is the name of this news agency, but its news is completely correct and documented
  • 14: In this regard, you only saw the photo and video, but did not pay attention to the text of the news
In the text of the news, he explained the information and biography of Najmeddin Shariati, and that's why I cited this news
  • 13: This news agency is one of the prominent news agencies of Iran and in this news, it mentions information about Najmeddin Shariati and Hosseinie Moala program hosted by Shariati.
That's why I cited this reference in the relevant text of the article
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  • With all due respect to you, I consider some of the points you said to be false excuses that you intend to make all the references, even the valid and correct ones, appear to be flawed.
I will definitely correct some of the references that need to be deleted or corrected, but please don't try to delete the article with these excuses.
And if you see that this article needs to be corrected, tell us so that we can correct it
But let the article stand because it is about a well-known Iranian person and I am not saying this from myself
Thank you @User4edits M.sharaki (talk) 21:07, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Regarding the references of this article that you mentioned, I made important edits and deleted those references that should have been deleted and corrected those that should have been corrected.
Now this article has been cited to authoritative references
Please don't delete this article and let it remain and if you see a flaw in it, order me to correct it
Thank you @User4edits M.sharaki (talk) 21:44, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting. We need to hear from more editors.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:05, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello dear @Liz
According to the important points that the user (@User4edits)
I edited the article carefully and deleted what needed to be deleted and edited what needed to be edited
Now the article is flawless in terms of its text and writing and valid references
I hope you agree and keep this article
Thanks M.sharaki (talk) 01:57, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete I don’t doubt that the article is factually correct however I dint see anything in the current sources that suggests notability. He’s a guy with a job and the coverage of him provided is pretty much froth and trivia. Mccapra (talk) 08:49, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Hello dear @Mccapra Thank you for taking the time to comment on this article With all due respect, I do not agree with your opinion because Najmeddin Shariati is not just an ordinary person who has a job and that's it. He has been working and performing professionally in the Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting Organization since 2000 and is a well-known and famous figure among Iranians. The most important TV program that is performed by Najmeddin Shariati and is one of the most popular TV programs in Iran is "Samte Khoda" program. You can also see the name of Samte Khoda program in the article of Iran's IRIB TV3 channel Please do not trivialize this article I created this article because he is a well-known figure I don't know what is your criterion for being important? In your opinion, being important means that a person has different margins? If the TV presenter works healthily for years and does not create margins, is it unimportant in your opinion? The references I mentioned all told the personal and artistic biography of Najmeddin Shariati, how he became a famous Iranian TV host. Please don't make a decision in a hurry and have a constructive view I hope other dear editors will also give their opinion so that a consensus can be reached as soon as possible Thanks M.sharaki (talk) 16:16, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
M.sharaki, it generally doesn't help for an editor to respond to everyone who participates in an AFD discussion. You have made your opinion known, let other editors review the article and assess its sources. Liz Read! Talk! 01:40, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep This article is a well-known Iranian person and has a biography of his personal and artistic life It also has authentic and documented references from prominent Iranian news agencies Thanks.M.sharaki (talk) 21:53, 24 March 2024 (UTC) — M.sharaki (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
Industrial Insect, I agree but your advice should be taken both by editors arguing for Keep or Delete. Saying "Delete per nom" or "not notable" is just as unhelpful as "Keep" with no argument. Liz Read! Talk! 04:49, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry about that, I agree. Simply stating "delete not notable" is equally as unhelpful. I figured other editors would read the first part and determine whether or not it applied to them. I kinda forgot about the last sentence. Industrial Insect (talk) 13:59, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In my opinion, when an article is AfD-ed, the onus of proof lies on those who contest against the AfD. Editors voting Delete per nom. are merely seconding the view that the subject is not notable (and hence fit for deletion). Editors voting Keep per user XXX are also merely seconding the opinion, and add value to the AfD (provided the editor is bonafide). Similarly, an AfD nomination of just non-notable, is to a certain extent fit as it impinges on the very fundamental claim of the subject to be in WP/Encyclopedia. Although nominations should be more than non-notable where it is not obviously visible. (Opinion) Thanks, Please feel free to ping/mention -- User4edits (T) 06:04, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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