Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nairobi Sailcat

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Can be userfied on request. Sandstein 09:19, 19 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Nairobi Sailcat[edit]

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Non-notable, fails WP:NMUSIC JMHamo (talk) 03:42, 11 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep absent some attempt at a reasoned analysis of notability issues. Article has already been tag-bombed by one editor which the inexperienced new editor was still trying to write it, and this piling on without affording a decent opportunity to return to work on the article approached WP:BITE territory. In the absence of any evidence that the nom has done the caliber of searching required to verify the non-notability of a 1970s session musician, this nomination shouldn't even be considered. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo) (talk) 03:56, 11 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Please show all the reliable sources you found then... JMHamo (talk) 04:02, 11 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

In other words, you didn't comply with WP:BEFORE, and you support WP:BITING new editors by giving them less than four minutes to write their first article. The WMF should spend more of its time trying to stop this sort of nonsense than working on junk like the Visual Editor. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo) (talk) 05:06, 11 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

In other words you are making assumptions about me that aren't true.... JMHamo (talk) 14:19, 11 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Userfy. Article as it stands is way below the standard for mainspace, for lack of MoS compliance and, importantly, lack of sources. That's enough even to delete - and two different editors have tagged the article for speedy deletion - although userfying will be a kinder option towards a new editor. Note that a mere 193 hits for "Nairobi Sailcat" on Google, none RS, may make proving WP:NBIO quite challenging. kashmiri ^TALK 10:34, 11 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment @Kashmiri: Why Userfy when you can't find Reliable Sources yourself after trying? If it's non-notable, which it seems to be then it's probably always going to be. The burden is on the article creator to prove it's notability. JMHamo (talk) 14:19, 11 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@JMHamo: It is a newly created article and I believe the original editor should be given an opportunity to work the text through to an acceptable standard. Maybe sources do exist to prove notability - Google is not everything - the article is just not yet ready for mainspace IMHO. Userfied drafts are also periodically deleted if not worked on. But I also understand your point, I think it's about the fine line between spam/promo and unsourced good-faith effort - perhaps the two of us see the fine line slightly differently. Regards, kashmiri ^TALK 15:45, 11 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - As one of those accused of tag-bombing the article, I cannot see any realistic prospect of finding notability here. Whatever searches are made they come up with very little, and if references are so hard to find it seems unlikely that they will be reputable, independent and reliable. I think the best course would be to userfy the current version and persuade the originator to take the text and put it through AfC both to allow time to assemble a reasonable looking draft and to allow considered reviews without the risk of imminent deletion. Velella ^{Velella Talk} 17:37, 11 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:46, 12 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 19:55, 18 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 19:55, 18 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete for now at best and restart when better as my searches instantly found nothing at all. Notifying tagger Velella. SwisterTwister talk 20:39, 18 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.